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Post by Michael O'Brien on Apr 28, 2011 15:24:20 GMT
Karma:This is the little number near your username under your Post count that allows others to exalt (positive) or smite (negative) you. I added it as a way to boost interaction between members, in a positive manner. I cannot remove the negative option so its either YES or NO in keeping it. I added a third option to allow EVERYONE to have a say, so if you really don't care I would still ask you to take part, so that the result is 100% fair.
Why am I bringing this to a vote? Because members asked, some members feel they are being penalized unfairly and anonymously by others. Just so you know, I have logs of ALL smites and exalts so I know WHO does what on my forum. So its not anonymous. I just am saddened members would use it to upset others without a valid post explaining it or at least a PM to the person.
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Post by barliman on Apr 29, 2011 13:03:35 GMT
After reflection I've voted to keep karma - but I'd much prefer it if either (a) there was some way that the "smiters" could be made known to everyone (you may know who they are, Michael, but the rest of us don't); or (b) the system was one that only allowed a member to be exalted. I can't really think of a valid reason why anyone should want to "smite" a member in the first place.
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Post by ungoliant on Apr 30, 2011 2:25:56 GMT
Karma: It's supposed to be all for fun, but when I went from 21 down to 12 in about a week, what was I to think? It started right after I submitted my idea for the month of April. Did I insult someone with my suggestion? And what recourse is there? Ignore it or reciprocate? Sometimes it's tough to turn the other cheek.
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Post by barliman on Apr 30, 2011 6:48:33 GMT
Have one back from me, Master Grond - just in case the system is retained!
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Post by twrich on Apr 30, 2011 6:53:47 GMT
It seems that there is one (or a small group of) immature individual(s) who like to be nasty if they think none of us (except Michael) know who they are. I'm sure Michael has better things to do than babysit the bullies among us. This type of behavior, smiting members repeatedly for no valid reason, certainly doesn't help the Fellowship grow (which we need to keep Mithril alive and prices down), and that is the real problem with these childish actions.
I agree with Barli that it would be best if it was exalt only, but Michael has stated that the feature is both or none. There are members who have really done great things to help promote Mithril, and been recognized by others through karma. Perhaps it is not fair to them that the actions of one or a few irresponsible members abusing the system result in a vote to wipe out the recognition they've been given.
At first I was going to vote to eliminate the feature, or not vote at at all. When my karma was being knocked down every day, all I could think about was how a new member might feel if they were being anonomously bullied--they would probably just leave the group, and no one would ever know why.
There are reasons to keep it, and reasons not to. But in the end, it really doesn't matter. We all have differing relationships amongst ourselves, and someone's karma number doesn't really influence that.
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Post by faramir60 on Apr 30, 2011 7:31:09 GMT
And you have one back from me too, Master Grond. I think this karma system is a funny thing, and it's a shame that a small group doesn't understand rules and the word "fellowship"... I think we should know who "smites" who, because that's not fair and childish to do this anonymously.
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Post by Theobald on Apr 30, 2011 12:34:26 GMT
I think I should not forget to thank Michael O'Brien here about reacting to my request to start a poll about this matter. My idea was that this would be the fairest way to find out what our Fellowship think about it. So everybody who is interested in this matter has the chance to take an active part in it. It's called democracy. Thank you Michael
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Post by Theobald on Apr 30, 2011 12:39:26 GMT
Grond ... one more Karma from me to you to close the gap between 21 and 12.
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Post by Gildor on Apr 30, 2011 16:48:55 GMT
actually I don't know I have never truly used the system I know I have exalted once or twice and smiten only once and I am regretful of it... Never really used the system.. I just saw I had 40 in karma and I have strictly no idea how I reached this score actually ://
I don't know how many times you can exalt/smite someone? and what it does on the forum? is there anything it would apply to? the number of posts of a given individual should be enough "stats" as to see how involved this person is no?
well it does not matter a lot to me... unless specific rewards come from it.. but rewards from this system would be MORE than unfair if the "smite" still exist... and as it seems exalt cannot exist without smite.. I don't think this ability is really "objective"
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Post by ungoliant on May 1, 2011 23:48:51 GMT
I'm sure he deserved it Gildor. I wonder who that fiend could have been? Could his initials have been G.R.O.N.D.? I hate that guy!
A member summed it up for me in one word - k i n d e r g a r t e n. We’re all a part of it. Honestly, the egotism, the fawning, and now the smiting have left a bad taste in my mouth (and I thought I could eat just about anything). I want to be part of something fun, not to be propelled back to grade school. There isn’t even milk and graham crackers here. At least the latter would make the experience somewhat sweet.
No puzzle is complete without all the necessary pieces. Remember that the next time anyone tries to smite someone else for not sharing the same point of view, or because they don't appreciate or understand someone's post. More than likely it's just easier to smite.
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Post by Halbarad II. on May 2, 2011 7:42:04 GMT
me too. - like Gildor
It doesn't matter much for me. I do not often use that (exalt) thing, only if I really really like a very good suggestion or wonderful figurine release. that means to reward. Since the exsisting of the fellowship I cannot remember to have used that (smite) thing.
But I can understand the arguments against the Karma option
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Post by ddaines on May 2, 2011 9:16:40 GMT
I'm sure he deserved it Gildor. I wonder who that fiend could have been? Could his initials have been G.R.O.N.D.? I hate that guy! A member summed it up for me in one word - k i n d e r g a r t e n. We’re all a part of it. Honestly, the egotism, the fawning, and now the smiting have left a bad taste in my mouth (and I thought I could eat just about anything). I want to be part of something fun, not to be propelled back to grade school. There isn’t even milk and graham crackers here. At least the latter would make the experience somewhat sweet. No puzzle is complete without all the necessary pieces. Remember that the next time anyone tries to smite someone else for not sharing the same point of view, or because they don't appreciate or understand someone's post. More than likely it's just easier to smite. Don't start G.R.O.N.D. ;D I voted to keep it purely for the reason that there are as Tom says, some members who have done some great work to help promote Mithril and try and make the figures more known to the wider world; some have even 'stuck their head above the parapet' to draw fire in order to highlight something for the powers that be to be aware of. To give those members a little aknowledgement is harmless fun, but Smiting goes a bit deeper and comes across as more personal especially under the safety on anonimity. Still, you can't have good without bad, keep one, keep both, just be grown up about it and don't let this situation descend into farce. By the way Grond, as one of the previous Karmas' i have sent you may have been smittten, I'd best replace it just in case
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Post by ungoliant on May 3, 2011 6:06:55 GMT
Yeah, yeah, okay. Keep it, lose it, it really doesn’t matter. Karma is such a fleeting thing anyway. It’s just as easy to smite as it is to exalt. Anyone, even moderators, could be brought down to zero by a rogue member with a hard-on. Still, I thank those of you who exalt now.
Can’t wait until I come under attack again. Reminds me of the pesky mosquito that waits for the lights to go out…and just…as you‘re about…to fall asleep…Eiiiiiii! Eiiiiiiii! Eiiiii…smite!
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Post by imisel on May 3, 2011 6:41:02 GMT
here my five cents....
How Daines have told, I think that Karma must be keep to thank the work of some great members of this community.
About the people who smite someone to make your karma low, well, who cares? Anyone who uses the impunity of the anonimate doesn't mind, really.
So let's keep Kharma, please. It's more important to give thanks to good job than someone, on puntual moments, can smite you.
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Post by Wendy on May 3, 2011 13:38:54 GMT
I just said "whatever". I hardly take seriously any anonymous scoring system that really has no effect on me at all. Still it can be a bit of fun - to say 'what a great idea' in a quiet manner - or just randomly exalt at will. As for the rules, one can neither smite or exalt more than once an hour. But of course Master Elf, it is easy to undo a smiting. One only need wait an hour.
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Post by Milo on May 6, 2011 8:53:55 GMT
Grond, +1 Karma and you're back to 21.
I do not really care about the karma, but I feel good when I get some feedback. So having a non-anonymous karma whare we could even add a comment would be better.
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