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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 3, 2006 11:28:28 GMT
Welcome to another exciting chance to add your ideas and dreams to Mithril's LOTR miniatures. Post your suggestions here. ONE per member. This month is open to all types of suggestions, either single figures or vignettes. These also include mounted figures. However please keep in mind that the more complex the suggestion (e.g.: numbers of figures involved) that wins will result in a higher final cost. Please add some quotes about where it is mentioned or give descriptions to promote your suggestion. If you drum up support NOW, the you have a much better chance when it is time to vote. Voting will begin on the 19th of May (first round). Second round voting will commence on the 25th. This will last until the 31st of May. You may add comments about other members suggestions as well. If you post any suggestions elsewhere it may not be seen or credited. Please post any suggestions in English. If you have any questions then post in the other thread provided for such questions. GO TO GALLERY PAGE: www.mithril.ie/Fellowship/gallery.html
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Post by Gildor on May 3, 2006 12:08:29 GMT
I'd like to resuggest my idea of the crowning of Elessar by Gandalf, the vignette would only need to involve Gandalf the White, Aragorn in king clothes and the throne of Gondor as furniture. Building up a diorama around that would be easy with all other references, and especially we could include the Faramir & Eowyn couple which won last month!!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2006 12:57:34 GMT
I'd like to suggest the Funeral Boat of Boromir.
"Now they laid Boromir in the middle of the boat that was to bear him away. The grey hood and elven-cloak they folded and placed beneath his head. They combed his long dark hair and arrayed it upon his sholders. The golden belt of Lorien gleamed about his waste. His helm they set beside him, and across his lap they laid the cloven horn and the hilt and shards of his sword;beneath his feet they put the swords of his enemies"
I'd either suggest this as a lone model on a water base or have Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli pushing the boat out into the stream.
DeanW
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Post by mshartmann on May 3, 2006 13:03:02 GMT
Grond! "in the midst was a huge ram, great as a forest tree. . . swinging on mighty chains. Its hideous head. . . was shaped in the likeness of a ravening wolf, on it spells of ruin lay. Great beasts drew it."
OK, I know this would have to be large but how cool would this be? I suppose you could leave off the orcs that surrounded it and the trolls behind it (leave that to Chris) - just the ram would be fantastic!
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Post by mshartmann on May 3, 2006 13:04:07 GMT
Thanks to DeanW for re-suggesting my idea of Boromir's funeral boat, now I have two favorites!
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Post by dreadlord on May 3, 2006 18:03:26 GMT
I would like to suggest eomer slaying ugluk of the uruk hai at the edge of fangorn forest. This could be done several ways Ugluk could be kneeling on the ground as eomer swings/lunges his sword. (The two towers say that eomer dismounted and drew his sword for the fight with ugluk). Or you could have Ugluk beheaded with eomer placing the head on a spear as a warning to others not to trespass. The base could be "littered" with weapons, bodies, hoof prints etc. Ugluk should only have leathers and furs the only armour should be on his forearms as speed was of the essence in their mission from Isenguard. Eomer should be in full armour and should have a cloak as they attacked under cover of darkness/dawn and hence would provide protection from the cold and the cloak would muffle the sound of the armour.
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Post by ddaines on May 3, 2006 19:25:55 GMT
I would love to see the fellowship boats (from Lorien) in any form but would prefer them as a general release rather than a 'special' and three of 'em!
Gildor's idea has merit and Eomer and Ugluk definately (I have produced this vignette myself from older miniatures, but an official version would go well - I will try and send Michael a picture as it might inspire the vote if it is chosen).
David.
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Post by barliman on May 3, 2006 20:07:53 GMT
Firstly, I hereby formally claim back my 'trumpeting Ent' suggestion and resubmit it here. However, since I doubt that it would do so well as a single figure in an 'open vote' month, when so many interesting vignette suggestions are invariably put forward, I'll spice it up by broadening the suggestion into a vignette which would include Legolas and Gimli on horseback as well as the trumpeting Ent. The scene is described by JRRT:
"As they rode from under the eaves of the wood, Legolas halted and looked back with regret. Then he gave a sudden cry. 'There are eyes!' he said. 'Eyes looking out from the shadows of the boughs! I never saw such eyes before.' The others, surprised by his cry, halted and turned; but Legolas started to ride back. 'No, no!' cried Gimli. 'Do as you please in your madness, but let me fisrt get down from this horse! I wish to see no eyes!' ... Even as he spoke, there came forward out of the trees three strange shapes. As tall as trolls they were, 12 feet or more in height; their strong bodies, stout as young trees, seemed to be clad with raiment or with hide of close-fitting grey and brown. Their limbs were long, and their hands had many fingers; their hair was stiff, and their beards grey-green as moss. They gazed out with solemn eyes ... Suddenly they lifted their long hands to their mouths, and sent forth ringing calls, clear as notes of a horn, but more musical and various. Their calls were answered, and turning again, the riders saw othert creatures of the same kind approaching, striding through the grass.'
And there you have it - Legolas and Gimli on horseback, watching in awe as an Ent halts near them and bellows out his bass trumpet call.
Secondly, a note of caution to mshartmann - I have one of the Thomarillion 'Grond' models (a stunning piece), and believe me, you only have to look at the massive size of the thing to realise that it would be prohibitively expensive as a Mithril Gold Fellowship 'vignette', even if it was limited to just the ram. I'm not even sure it would be technically or economically feasible to mould and cast it in metal (the larger parts of the Thomarillion example are of plaster and resin). Perhaps Michael could confirm that one way or the other?
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Post by Wendy on May 3, 2006 20:14:19 GMT
I'm submitting Angbor the Fearless once again. Mounted.
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Post by mshartmann on May 4, 2006 2:08:00 GMT
Yeah, I seewhere Barliman is coming from regarding Grond and I thought about that myself, but wow, it would really be something - hence I may just throw my support back to Boromir in the boat, although the others are very cool. The ram would be cool as a special and perhaps we could handle the tree ourselves! According to JRRT, Grond was placed at the end of a 100-foot-long tree - how long would that have to be in this scale (66 inches?).
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Post by estel on May 4, 2006 8:37:08 GMT
Mae govannen, I try it again, yes I do: I desperatly would like to see a Mithril version of Haldir, Rumil and Orophin (or maybe Rumil and Orophin alone, but better al 3 of them). they should look like real wardens or watchers, with spears and bows and a nice elven sword at their sides, wearing cloaks. They should look like a little arrogant (Think about their talk shooting a fellowship member without seeing them just because the members made noise), like Thingol (one of the best Elven-look miniatures ever!). The three Elves could have 3 different poses, one in a more "sitting" variant (sitting like an Elf! do not know the exact English word for it) with a spear holding, his face at the side of the spear, one in a standing and watching pose, with a hand protecting his eyes (he not a Noldor, so he should not stare in to the sun without blinking), the wind is playing with his cloak. The third holding a bow in his hand, maybe in a talking position as he is talking to Legolas or Aragorn (I do not like it, that most miniatures you can buy are figthers, I like too the more "civil- variants"). All in all I hope to see Elves which are very close to their silvan environment, looking like waywatchers, but not like modern variants. That is my suggestion. VOTE FOR ELVES ;D VOTE FOR ELVES VOTE FOR ELVES Estel
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Post by Axe99 on May 4, 2006 9:24:24 GMT
Nice suggestions (and good luck Estel - never lose hope for those elves, even if they don't get up this month ). I think I'll throw one into the mix this month, and a vignette, for the road, from the road, so to speak - Theoden and Eomer's meeting with Ghan-Buri-Ghan in the Druadan wood. Say writes my favourite author.... "Presently he came to an open space where a small tent had been set up for the king under a great tree. A large lantern, covered above, was hanging from a bough and caset a pale circle of light below. There sat Theoden and Emoer, and before them on the ground sat a strange squat shape of a man, gnarled as an old stone, and the hairs of his scanty beared straggled on his lumpy chin like dry moss. He was short-legged and fat-armed, thick and stumpy, and clad only with grass about his waist." Possibly at the moment where Ghan-Buri-Ghan waves his arm eastward. Just a thought. I'm not suggesting the tent and the tree, of course, just Theoden, Eomer and Ghan-Buri-Ghan. Keep up the other great suggestions - I think we go alright for choice
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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 4, 2006 11:32:55 GMT
Grond! "in the midst was a huge ram, great as a forest tree. . . swinging on mighty chains. Its hideous head. . . was shaped in the likeness of a ravening wolf, on it spells of ruin lay. Great beasts drew it." OK, I know this would have to be large but how cool would this be? I suppose you could leave off the orcs that surrounded it and the trolls behind it (leave that to Chris) - just the ram would be fantastic! Sorry, but the ram is just too big a project for a realistic miniature. Others used resin, but as all we use is metal the cost and complexity would make the result very expensive. As members already say that the costs of the vignettes are high I think a 200 Euro or more for Grond (without Trolls and orcs and the 100 foot tree) pricetag would mean it would just be too much to sell. WE stated this decision previously in other open suggestion months. Likewise we will not make the Watcher in the Water or Old man Williow tree. Remember that if a single figure costs 19.95 Euro and you want several figures in a vignette then the cost will rise accordingly. If EVERYONE really wants a complex vignette then we will make it but they MUST buy it afterwards or it could end this club.
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Post by ddaines on May 4, 2006 16:52:51 GMT
Hammershield suggested a good idea in response to a general wish-list posting of mine regarding 'The Scouring of the Shire', and that was Saruman and Wormtongue in their rags (or hobo style). I would assume Saruman leading and Worm crawling behind in the mud!
A thought (and credit to H if it gets the vote). I did think of soem other ideas but forgot to write them down so I will have to rack search the memory!
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Post by bombadil1963 on May 4, 2006 18:44:17 GMT
Hi, there´s still one quite unknown hero from the end of the Third Age. A great fighter and King, friend and companion to Dain Ironfoot. The son of Bard the Archer: Brand, King of Dale! The courage and will to endure of his and Dain´s people made the victory against Sauron perfect. And he and Dain paid with their life for it! I think he was never supposed to come out in this or another range. Men of Long Lake and of Dale together with dwarfs fought a desperate running fight for three days against superior forces but couldn´t be defeated. Their deeds should be worth a monument: King Brand, tired of fighting, insured yet proud and strong. Cloak and armour shredded, battered and stinged all over. His bow broken at his feet, his notchy sword hold up with both hands for defense.
I thought about a vignette. Perhaps with Dain, defending the body of Brand, standing above him with his broad axe. But Dain was made twice: together with Azog in fighting action (great!) and standing alone. And as said before: life is to short for repeating same themes or contents.
I couldn´t find a good picture and I`m not able to draw. But I´ve found this at Google: [glow=red,2,300]www.tuckborough.net/images/brand.jpg[/glow] It´s not the way he should look in my eyes . . . but perhaps it helps selling the idea . . . With a falcon? Why not a whispering thrush....? Oh no, this was his father in another story!
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Post by Ori on May 5, 2006 7:16:50 GMT
I would like to re-suggest ddains idea of Mounted Imrahil with wounded Faramir as shown on the gallery page.
Great pic ddains.
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Post by Halbarad II. on May 5, 2006 15:38:48 GMT
Hi everybody! Here comes my suggestion for may: MADNESS! "The pyre of Denethor" We have one Denethor figure so long, sitting in front of the throne on his little black chair, but no standing one. I have to vision of the scene: Denethor standing on the Pyre with the palantir in him hands and the mad expression on his face. The pyre on a tiled floor base with the wood and some fire. or the moments before that happening: An awesome vignette of Denethor with a dagger and holding the Palantir along with TATA: Beregond and Pippin. Beregond defending the wounded Faramir on a bier against his insane father, tended by Pippin and if it don't beats the price, Gandalf the White is with them. (should be easy to make the prye for a diorama by ourselves) I found some reference: 'At those words Denethor's eyes flamed again, and taking the Stone under his arm he drew a knife and strode towards the bier. But Beregond sprang forward and set himself before Faramir.' J.R.R. Tolkien: The Lord of the Rings, Book 5, Chapter 7: The Pyre of Denethor elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/a/n/anke/pyre_of_denethor_elf.jpg.htmlCheers, Harald
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Post by ddaines on May 5, 2006 16:51:19 GMT
Thanks for the comments Ori, we shall see!
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Post by voivalvatti on May 6, 2006 19:44:11 GMT
We make a vignette-suggestion from The Hobbit:
"Bolg the orc-commander fighting Beorn as a bear."
Bolg (the son of Azog who was killed by Dain) became the poor victim of Beorn at the battle of Five Armies.
There could be one orc and one varg already down in the ground after Beorn's furious attack. And there we see Bolg standing (perhaps with a flail) and the big bear is getting closer...
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Post by Axel on May 7, 2006 9:43:13 GMT
I also resubmit the idea of Gandalf and Pippin on Shadowfax, on their ride from Rohan to the aid if Gondor, as described in the last scene of "book 3".
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Post by ddaines on May 7, 2006 12:40:23 GMT
One of the 'lost' thoughts I have now remembered, was the two goblins/orcs who are seeking the hobbits in Mordor - Spearman & the smaller archer.
A small vignette of these two arguing/discussing where the hobbits are. Perhaps include the two hobbits laying down as part of the base (like dead orcs with Boromir) even beter if they were separate castings.
Along similar lines Gorbag & Shagrat discussing Frodo, possibly with a cocooned Frodo at their feet (I think someone else may have suggested this in the past).
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Post by Hammershield on May 9, 2006 8:14:07 GMT
I second the Sharku and Grima, hobo style. They are quite overlooked if you think about it. These two in that form are quite central to the story.
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Post by khador on May 10, 2006 8:22:17 GMT
I suggest Gandalf in the front of West Gate of Moria, trying to solve dwarven riddle for opening gate. I like idea to see, in Mithril range miniatures, a serial of famous gates of Middle-earth : Dimholt (with Aragorn), crashed gates of Minas Tirith (with MS299), a piece of Black gate of Mordor (with M145), green door of Bagend (with Bilbo and Gandalf), Gate of Bree (with M56), Gate of Orthanc (with Saruman)...
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Post by savage727 on May 11, 2006 11:53:07 GMT
I would like to suggest the idea of Aragorn and The Hobbits crossing The Neekerbreeker's Bog going this way to avoid The Ringwraiths. Aragorn would be hooded and all characters would be traveling in single file through the Bog.
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Post by Gerold on May 11, 2006 13:33:01 GMT
I wanted to repeat one of my earlier suggestions (Death of Ugluk), but someone else already brought this up, so here's another one : - a female Rohan warrior at Helm's Deep - Helms Deep was defended by a small number of men, so every person who had fighting skills would have been welcome, including women and boys that were able to handle a weapon. I don't know if this is told as such in LOTR, but it's a suggestion that the reader can make. So as a suggestion I would say : a female Rohan warrior and a boy, defending against an Uruk-Hai. The female with sword and defending with shield, the boy hitting the Orc with a spear.
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Post by Gerold on May 11, 2006 13:40:05 GMT
Death of Ugluk : I read indeed that Eomer dismounted from his horse to finish off a deadly wounded Ugluk. It was a way to show his respect for a brave and loyal leader, although he was an Orc. So I would like to sea the vignette as such : Ugluk on his knees, preparing for his dead, Eomer on foot, walking to the orc, holding his sword ready to give a last strike.
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Post by aelfwine on May 11, 2006 14:11:24 GMT
Hmmm, these are some good ones.
The death of Ugluk - very nice. The Rohir woman defending at Helm's Deep - also very nice. I can't actually remember if there were any civilians mentioned at Helm's Deep, but it would work just as well if they were defending their homestead.
Though once again, I will vote for Haldir, Rumil and Orophin!
Gavin
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Post by twrich on May 11, 2006 23:20:32 GMT
Hello, well after some thought I've decided to submit the Lossoth Hunter idea again. As this is a month that vignettes are accepted, I modify my suggestion to include "a cart without wheels" as described in the Red Book of Westmarch, pulled by four (two if cost prohibitive) sled dogs. The cart would be small, and hold the Lossoth Hunter. It would basically be a three-sided platform on skis.
Once again, the Lossoth Hunter would be clad in furs and leather hide boots. He would certainly carry a long knife in a belt with many pouches. Perhaps a club and/or barbed spear would also be strapped to his body, or lay in the cart. But one hand would hold the reins to the dog harnesses and the other hand would hold a long whip (if practical to produce, otherwise two hands on the reins). Again, I think a chain of polar bear teeth would be a nice touch.
Michael, is this too much? Let me know, as I could modify this suggestion to keep the price reasonable.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 12, 2006 11:12:06 GMT
I would like to suggest eomer slaying ugluk of the uruk hai at the edge of fangorn forest. This could be done several ways Ugluk could be kneeling on the ground as eomer swings/lunges his sword. (The two towers say that eomer dismounted and drew his sword for the fight with ugluk). Or you could have Ugluk beheaded with eomer placing the head on a spear as a warning to others not to trespass. The base could be "littered" with weapons, bodies, hoof prints etc. Ugluk should only have leathers and furs the only armour should be on his forearms as speed was of the essence in their mission from Isenguard. Eomer should be in full armour and should have a cloak as they attacked under cover of darkness/dawn and hence would provide protection from the cold and the cloak would muffle the sound of the armour. David Daines sent in this image to support the idea, noting that these are older Mithril figures. To post an image you must know the full address of where it is host, right down to the exact name of the file itself and make sure it is in the correct case (Eomer.jpg is not the same as eomer.jpg). Then when you have typed it out, highlight it and click the 'insert image' button.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 12, 2006 11:15:11 GMT
Hello, well after some thought I've decided to submit the Lossoth Hunter idea again. As this is a month that vignettes are accepted, I modify my suggestion to include "a cart without wheels" as described in the Red Book of Westmarch, pulled by four (two if cost prohibitive) sled dogs. The cart would be small, and hold the Lossoth Hunter. It would basically be a three-sided platform on skis. Once again, the Lossoth Hunter would be clad in furs and leather hide boots. He would certainly carry a long knife in a belt with many pouches. Perhaps a club and/or barbed spear would also be strapped to his body, or lay in the cart. But one hand would hold the reins to the dog harnesses and the other hand would hold a long whip (if practical to produce, otherwise two hands on the reins). Again, I think a chain of polar bear teeth would be a nice touch. Michael, is this too much? Let me know, as I could modify this suggestion to keep the price reasonable. The more additional items you add the higher the eventual cost will be. It is a balancing act. You do not need to add more detail for the Lossoth Hunter because its an open month, single figures are as valid as vignettes. Otherwise it is a very cool idea.
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