November 2007 2nd Round Vote is closed

[Michael O'Brien]

Thanks to all members who voted, including all bronze members who added their votes this month.

The top 3 are all worthy contenders, but there can only be one victor so remember you only have one week to vote. Do not miss out
Vote ends 16.00 GMT on Tuesday 4th.
Good luck to all finalists.

[ddaines]

Well this is a difficult one for me two ladies or the Witch-King – ‘A Thorn between two Roses’ so to speak!

I have cast my lot with the River-woman, Mother of Goldberry as I think this is a very unusual and original suggestion and is open to a variety of interpretations by Chris.

[hsf62]

Was it Arwen or someone else? Sorry, can't picture the river-women, so it has to be the hunting girl.

[barliman]

I really don't see how the River-woman can be vsualised at all - was she even 'human', or some sort of elemental? We're never told. No, I'm afraid it has to be the Witchking for me.

[ddseuferer]

In honor of my wife, I voted for Arwen.

[Hammershield]

Riverwoman is as possible to visualize as Sauron and, well, ANY Middle Earth miniature really. I am all for it.

I think she shold be sculpted as a half out of water (the water being the miniature base), her arm resting on a rock and with long (white) hair intermingling with the foam and eddies of the water swirling around her.

[ddaines]

Perfectly described Hammershield!

[aelfwine]

Arwen for me!

Or Luthien or...or... or...

I am very interested in the idea of having a female elf character figure in an "action" pose of some description, who isn't wearing a bathing suit. It doesn't help that figures such as the "Elf Girl" and the "Elf Girl Adventurer" are somewhat awkwardly posed.

I'd even go so far as to call the figure "Elf Lady of the North, hunting" so as to imply she could be someone else - Arwen's illustrious great-great-grandmother, for example. Or a MERP PC type.

In any event, I imagine her with a beautifully carved yew bow, her hair braided tightly (like the beautiful Angus McBride image used in the old MERP books). She wears an elvish cloak, with a fur lined collar.

Perhaps she is reaching for an arrow. Or maybe she is nocking an arrow. Or perhaps she is holding the bow in her left hand, and carrying a long Elvish knife in her right hand, blade facing down.

Beautiful, sharp eyed and patient...Arwen (or her ancestor).

Gavin

Gavin

[Axel]

God, I LOVE this month. Hopefully the winner will get released a bit faster then the last bunch.

Its the Witchking in his true form for me this time, but I have supported Arwen before and whoever wins will find a most hearty welcome (and the only setback for the Riverwomen is that I cannot have her AND the other two).

As far as I am concerned, the Fellowship miniatures could step up in frequency, so that we get three a month - though I realize that they won`t...

[gandanor]

I hope Mithril does only figures from the book „The Lord of the rings ". And not from this awful film, this title has not earned.
With " Arwen hunting " I get there a little fear.

[tolwen]

The Witch-king at any rate. The first chance to see him in a non-masked, non-hooded way.

[Halbarad II.]

Another Witch-King? Not for me, sorry.
Make a vignette out of him... visible to Frodo with the One Ring on his finger,
maybe stabbing the ringbearer with that cursed knife...

Arwen hunting - Hunting with what weapon?
A spear? Not fitting in my opiniong.
A sword? too much like a warrior...
Bow and Arrows? Fitting best, but then there will be no chance to take her for someone else,
because there is no mention that the other beautiful elf-maiden was hunting...
besides there is a elf-girl with bow already

So for me the most special FELLOWSHIP worthy suggestion is and stays the river woman,
as described by hammershield, also in my mind.
Give her a chance!

hwolf

[bombadil1963]

Harald convinced me.

It´s the river-woman for me.

There are too much Witch-Kings yet!

[aelfwine]

gandanor said:

I hope Mithril does only figures from the book „The Lord of the rings ". And not from this awful film, this title has not earned.
With " Arwen hunting " I get there a little fear.

No, don't worry. That's another company.

The whole impetus behind the idea of Arwen hunting is twofold. Arwen has been represented about three times in the Mithril range already. In one, she's holding a flag. In another she's attached to Aragorn. In the other she's also attached to Aragorn. Those are all highly specific poses and not desperately useful for someone who wants to make, say, a diorama of the folk of Rivendell bidding farewell to the Fellowship.* On the other hand, if you want a figure that could potentiall represent another female Elf of Rivendell doing something action packed, an Arwen hunting miniature fits that requirement perfectly. And if you want a figure representing Arwen's ancestor, Luthien as she was journeying with Beren to Morgoth's domain, then "Arwen Hunting" is a way of doing that. Because Luthien most assuredly didn't hang around looking pretty, and its implied that there's a great deal of family resemblance between the two elf ladies.

On the other hand we have, about five Witch King figures that I can think of. Granted none of these are in "true form" but he's been well represented - in MERP style armour (limited range), in heavy armour on horse (M3) in heavy armour on foot (Fellowship range), in hooded Nazgul form (the Salute 07 figure), on a fell beast, crowned (The Lord of the Nazgul vignette), facing Gandalf at the gates of Minas Tirith and the very movie-ish but not quite Witch King figure to go with the Lord of the Rings Online computer game. That's a lot of Witch King action. At least three of these are currently in-print and available. What's more, only Frodo sees the Witch King in his "true form" in the dell beneath Weathertop - he also sees four more.

Finally, the Riverwoman may or may not even exist. We certainly don't see a Riverwoman character taking any action or having any part of the main legendarium (as Tolkien might say). She may even be a metaphor - the river woman representing the old Forest River, the Withywindle. A poetic way of saying that Goldberry was "born of the river" in other words. However, she DOES appear in the Adventures of Tom Bombadil, as an actual character. Which leads us to the problem - Mithril doesn't have the rights to use characters from the Adventures of Tom Bombadil (though it already has), so we might run into problems with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. Not to mention that the events of the poems are apocyrphal at best.

Gavin

* To make such a thing, find an M139 "Aragorn and Arwen" and convert it so that Arwen stands alone. Throw in an M 338, maybe and a MC 6 and an M448, and perhaps the two Elves from MV 373. Go wild

[estel]

aelfwine said:

gandanor said:

I hope Mithril does only figures from the book „The Lord of the rings ". And not from this awful film, this title has not earned.
With " Arwen hunting " I get there a little fear.

No, don't worry. That's another company.

The whole impetus behind the idea of Arwen hunting is twofold. Arwen has been represented about three times in the Mithril range already. In one, she's holding a flag. In another she's attached to Aragorn. In the other she's also attached to Aragorn. Those are all highly specific poses and not desperately useful for someone who wants to make, say, a diorama of the folk of Rivendell bidding farewell to the Fellowship.* On the other hand, if you want a figure that could potentiall represent another female Elf of Rivendell doing something action packed, an Arwen hunting miniature fits that requirement perfectly. And if you want a figure representing Arwen's ancestor, Luthien as she was journeying with Beren to Morgoth's domain, then "Arwen Hunting" is a way of doing that. Because Luthien most assuredly didn't hang around looking pretty, and its implied that there's a great deal of family resemblance between the two elf ladies.

On the other hand we have, about five Witch King figures that I can think of. Granted none of these are in "true form" but he's been well represented - in MERP style armour (limited range), in heavy armour on horse (M3) in heavy armour on foot (Fellowship range), in hooded Nazgul form (the Salute 07 figure), on a fell beast, crowned (The Lord of the Nazgul vignette), facing Gandalf at the gates of Minas Tirith and the very movie-ish but not quite Witch King figure to go with the Lord of the Rings Online computer game. That's a lot of Witch King action. At least three of these are currently in-print and available. What's more, only Frodo sees the Witch King in his "true form" in the dell beneath Weathertop - he also sees four more.

Finally, the Riverwoman may or may not even exist. We certainly don't see a Riverwoman character taking any action or having any part of the main legendarium (as Tolkien might say). She may even be a metaphor - the river woman representing the old Forest River, the Withywindle. A poetic way of saying that Goldberry was "born of the river" in other words. However, she DOES appear in the Adventures of Tom Bombadil, as an actual character. Which leads us to the problem - Mithril doesn't have the rights to use characters from the Adventures of Tom Bombadil (though it already has), so we might run into problems with Tolkien Enterprises or the Tolkien Estate. Not to mention that the events of the poems are apocyrphal at best.

Gavin

* To make such a thing, find an M139 "Aragorn and Arwen" and convert it so that Arwen stands alone. Throw in an M 338, maybe and a MC 6 and an M448, and perhaps the two Elves from MV 373. Go wild

Well spoken Gavin!

That's vote for Elven girl!

Namarie Estel

[twrich]

Gavin, I like well thought out arguments! Karma for you.

I agree that the movies take liberties with the Books. But I feel that Arwen Hunting (Female Elven Scout) is a realistic piece that Chris will do a great job sculpting.

[Gildor]

Well that's a good argument indeed!

As for Withywindle (the river woman), and characters from the Adventures of Tom Bombadil, I remember that Mewlips come from here and were produced. But Mewlips were first used by ICE for MERP, and I suppose that the mithril figurine was directly linked to the MERP reference, which is now covered by TE. Was The River-Woman though used as a character in MERP, if so, TE should have no problem with that.

[estel]

Mae govannen,

Seems a close run between the witch king and a female!

Does that remind any one of the deeds of a woman?

A hint : the woman was yellow haired and not an Elf

What an irony in the voting, but it seems, that the Witch King always has obviously problems with girls.

NAMARIE
Estel

P.S.: Do not take everything serious

[ddaines]

Who will prevail this time though ?

I still think an interpretation of the River-Woman would be an unusual miniature.

[Halbarad II.]

And what difference whould the witchking be in true form?
only to see a wraith's face? - for the garments will not be very different, will they ?
Keep in mind that the fellowship figures are not cheap.

and we don't see very much Mithril produced figures taking any action in the novel also...
but that's exactly what MAKES MITHRIL DIFFERENT and desireable, having characters in many themes, not only for battlegames.
Just count the females from the other company - do you get a handful? - and then compare with Mithril !!!

[estel]

hwolf said:

And what difference whould the witchking be in true form?
only to see a wraith's face? - for the garments will not be very different, will they ?
Keep in mind that the fellowship figures are not cheap.

and we don't see very much Mithril produced figures taking any action in the novel also...
but that's exactly what MAKES MITHRIL DIFFERENT and desireable, having characters in many themes, not only for battlegames.
Just count the females from the other company - do you get a handful? - and then compare with Mithril !!!

well spoken, you are absolutely right!
Let us see, how the fellows vote...


NAMARIE
estel

[Axel]

At the moment the Witchking is leading by two votes, but if at the end of this day it is again a draw (and only in that case) I offer to swap my vote from my Witchking-suggestion to Arwen, so that the tie is broken in favour of Arwen.

This will prevent another delay and will not really impede the vote of the community. You just have to believe that I voted for my own suggestion firsthand :-)

[barliman]

The rules say that in the event of a tie Chris has the casting vote, so all we have to do is sit back and let events take their course.

[Deleted]

Afraid I still have to go for The Witch King, although I'd prefer it as a vignette with Frodo as described above.