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Post by Michael O'Brien on Jun 24, 2009 15:44:38 GMT
Ok the troll champion won the first round but only by a few votes.
Its neck and neck this month with these fantastic suggestions so your vote will count. Please take a minute and vote carefully.
This vote will end at 16:00 BST. on July 2nd.
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Post by estel on Jun 24, 2009 17:23:09 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]HALDIR HALDIR HALDIR!!![/glow]Come on it is just one of a band of three brothers and uch cheaper than one of three Trolls 
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Post by barliman on Jun 24, 2009 17:58:30 GMT
Who? Don't you mean Bombur?
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Post by Halbarad II. on Jun 25, 2009 10:47:48 GMT
time for Bombur.
Cheers, hwolf
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Post by hsf62 on Jun 25, 2009 11:17:14 GMT
run fatty run.... you are over 50% now
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Post by Wendy on Jun 25, 2009 12:36:50 GMT
run fatty run.... you are over 50% now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by aelfwine on Jun 25, 2009 14:15:23 GMT
As much as all of these are awesome... I am going to vote for Bombur  |
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Post by Gildor on Jun 25, 2009 15:53:39 GMT
and me too I vote for Bombur... Arvedui will wait |
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Post by bombadil1963 on Jun 25, 2009 17:16:38 GMT
Enough Trolls for now! Dwarfs may be good counterparts. In heigth, weight and minds.
I voted Bombur and still waiting for Thorin´s Company, all together.
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Post by khador on Jun 25, 2009 21:38:33 GMT
and me too I vote for Bombur... Arvedui will wait No ! Arvedui will come !! Go for the North and Arnor !! |
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Post by Stift on Jun 26, 2009 7:14:33 GMT
It is Dwarfs month - I vote for Bombur
Alex
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Post by estel on Jun 26, 2009 15:36:45 GMT
hmmm, wasn't said in the last newsletter, that this fatty one will be released as an MX?? My hope is, that the dwarf says, he won't go farther, like he did in Mirkwood O.K. I would love to see, how Chris would create a fat dwarf. |
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Post by basile on Jun 26, 2009 22:36:52 GMT
No ! Arvedui will come !! Go for the North and Arnor !! Yes!!! Arvedui will be the best! Arnor forever!  |
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Post by herve on Jun 26, 2009 22:54:22 GMT
hello!! may be it's because the name"bombur" is different in French translation, but, even if i've readen for may be ten times,all of the Tokien'stories, i don't remember who's this mann?? Where does he come from? And i even don't remember if i've never ever seen this name "bombur".
Can you help me, please and try to explain me with the easyest english words as you can, who's this mann.
Thanks for all!!!
Hervé
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Post by ddaines on Jun 26, 2009 23:14:28 GMT
The quickest reference is that Bombur was a dwarf in the Hobbit, one of Thorin's companions who happened to be a fat 'knacker' (rather large around the stomach) , he is the one who fell into the Enchanted River in Mirkwood and fell into a deep sleep for a while. In later years it is mentioned that he became so fat that he had to be carried about by younger dwarves. Interestingly to me is Bombur not his name in whatever language? If I see a French person's name such as Pierre (excuse the spelling) in a novel it doesn't get translated to an English form of the name (at least I don't recall this). |
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Post by barliman on Jun 27, 2009 7:18:53 GMT
No, Master Dave, the idiot translators in many countries decided that they knew better than Tolkien, and translated many of the names he created into weird and wonderful inventions of their own. Heaven alone knows why - and JRRT didn't understand it either. Have you never seen any of his letters to Rayner Unwin et al on the subject? In despair, Tolkien even went so far as to write an essay offering advice on how to translate those personal and place names that had to be translated(in order to keep their meanings - "Goldberry", for instance), and which didn't need to be translated at all. Sadly it was all a waste of time - the translators carried on doing "their own thing", and continue to do so to this day. Sad. It rather ruined the whole point of the original names having Elvish meanings etc - which is why JRRT was so irritated by the translators' collective audacity.
So, Master Herve, as Dave says, Bombur is the fat dwarf in The Hobbit. Simple as that.
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Post by Axel on Jun 27, 2009 7:47:21 GMT
hmmm, wasn't said in the last newsletter, that this fatty one will be released as an MX?? Yep. But that will be Bombur at his first appearance during the "unexpected party". I am sure Chris will manage to give us a totally other incarnation, like Bombur armoured at the battle of the five armies, sleeping in Mirkwood or [obese... erk. sorry:] prospering voluminous in his later days. Regarding the translations... I found the German translation to be pretty good (well, the original one, I am not so happy with the modernized version thats now published). Especially the Hobbit names are translated with care, like making Baggins to Beutlin (Beutel being a German word for bag) and translating the various occupations and plants. Afaik most of the Elvish, Dwarvish and Gondorian names remain untouched, unless they are descriptive (like Oakenshield to Eichenschild). Overall a good translation, though naturally not able to keep the melody of the language. |
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Post by barliman on Jun 28, 2009 16:40:54 GMT
It's just occurred to me - is it "politically correct" to refer to anyone as "fat" these days? Or should we describe Bombur as "horizontally challenged".
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Post by Halbarad II. on Jul 2, 2009 13:15:10 GMT
Yes Go Bombur go!
Cheers Hwolf
For Hervé from french wikipedia:
Bilbo le Hobbit
Auteur J. R. R. Tolkien
Genre Fantasy
Version originale
Titre original The Hobbit, There and Back Again
Le roman raconte les aventures de Bilbo Baggins, paisible hobbit, lors de son voyage jusqu’au Mont Solitaire. Bon vivant confortablement installé dans son « trou » de Bag End, il est réticent à partir, d’autant plus que les hobbits sont traditionnellement paisibles et peu aventureux, quoique chez les Tooks dont descend Bilbon, on est aventurier de père en fils... Il est entraîné dans l’aventure par le magicien Gandalf et treize nains (à savoir Thorin, Balin, Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, Dwalin, Glóin, Óin, Dori, Nori, Ori, Fíli et Kíli) pour aller récupérer le trésor usurpé aux ancêtres des nains par le dragon Smaug.
Bilbo se révèle indispensable à l’opération, notamment grâce à l'anneau magique de Gollum, qui a le pouvoir de rendre invisible son porteur, qu'il découvre dans les cavernes des gobelins sous les Monts Brumeux. C’est également lors de cette aventure qu’il obtient son épée Dard et sa cotte de maille en mithril.
Dans Le Seigneur des anneaux on nous apprend que c'est Bilbo qui raconte sa propre aventure, alors que Bilbo le Hobbit est raconté à la troisième personne du singulier.
le Nain Bombur gros et gras
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Post by Theobald on Jul 2, 2009 13:30:56 GMT
That Bombur wasn't introduced as a fat dwarf in the Hobbit-chapter, Barliman, but he became fatter growing old. That's what we know. Those descriptions by RRT in the 'Unexpected Party' chapter mostly refer to colours and garment, I think. Well, and to behaviour, of course. |
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Post by barliman on Jul 2, 2009 13:58:46 GMT
Sorry, Master Tree, you're completely in error there! - Bombur is described as "immensely fat and heavy" on his very first appearance in "The Hobbit", when he fell on top of Thorin in the doorway at Bag End.
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Post by barliman on Jul 2, 2009 15:54:22 GMT
Yay, the deadline is past and Bombur wins! Only problem is I shall have to think of an entirely new figure to suggest next month...
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