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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 22:13:11 GMT
Hi all,
I have a M16 Female Ranger - I've heard this figure is desirable but is it still desirable without the sword? I'm a miniatures collector but I only collect Citadel Miniatures so my knowledge of Mithril is very small.
thanks Steve
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Post by Gildor on Mar 5, 2008 0:05:55 GMT
As far as I know, the M16 without a sword is quite worthy indeed. of course it can't be sold as much as if it was complete, but the M16 sword is the same sword as some of the figurines of the same ranges (all little weapons such as swords in the early series were on the same model and could be switched among figurines... well that's what I heard) so Unless a collector wants it pristine, or blistered.... finding a sword for the M16 can be achieved.... (I hope people will correct me if I am wrong) I know many people around who could be interested in your M16... you can contact me in private if you want to discuss it with more details
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Post by ddaines on Mar 5, 2008 0:31:25 GMT
Steve, collect Mithril instead
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 10:56:28 GMT
Gildor - that's very interesting info on the sword. Not being a Mithril collector I had no idea. Can anyone else confirm Gildor's thoughts on this? If the sword is relatively commonly available then I guess not having the sword won't really distract from the value of the figure. ddaines - good suggestion but collecting Citadel is a full-time pursuit in itself! If anyone's interested the figure will be going up on ebay eventually (possibly even this week or next if I can confirm the status of the sword). Watch out for my userID bridgend_steve thanks Steve
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Post by Gildor on Mar 5, 2008 12:45:04 GMT
don't be mistaken, its value without the sword for a collector will mean that it won't reach quite high prices on ebay but quite reasonnable though... It is then up to the buyer to get his hands on one of the other figurines from the same range and spoil it of its own sword... and getting such a figurine, though less rare, will cost him some money too I need confirmation for my theory though, but I have myself a complete Mithril collection and the swords are quite the same if I look at them, still I may be wrong but you can check by yourself at agodet's website whith pictures of all references with all the little parts : membres.lycos.fr/mithril59/(it seems M16 and M14 swords are quite the same...)
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Post by regalrick on Mar 5, 2008 22:57:24 GMT
I agree with Gildor and find the M16 desirable even without the sword.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Mar 6, 2008 12:58:10 GMT
Gildor - that's very interesting info on the sword. Not being a Mithril collector I had no idea. Can anyone else confirm Gildor's thoughts on this? If the sword is relatively commonly available then I guess not having the sword won't really distract from the value of the figure. ddaines - good suggestion but collecting Citadel is a full-time pursuit in itself! If anyone's interested the figure will be going up on ebay eventually (possibly even this week or next if I can confirm the status of the sword). Watch out for my userID bridgend_steve thanks Steve If you plan on selling it, please photograph the bottom of the base so members can see the inscription clearly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 13:39:29 GMT
Hi Michael,
thanks for the comment. I was actually thinking of listing this on ebay tonight. Is there any particular reason why you think a photograph of the base underside would be of benefit?
many thanks steve
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Post by Gildor on Mar 6, 2008 18:24:32 GMT
well because the bottom of the base will prove to potential buyers that it is an authentic M16... illegal copies not produced by Mithril do exist... they are simulacrum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2008 20:25:06 GMT
Ah! I see. OK, I've taken a picture of the underside of the base to add to the auction listing (which starts at 9.45pm tonight GMT). thanks Steve
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Post by Theobald on Mar 7, 2008 12:35:52 GMT
Hi, I just saw this thread and have to say that the sword of the M16 is not like any others. In the mould it was directly attached to the base of the figure and so is the original casting. So it's "part of the figure". As I still have an original casting from Chris Tubb this can clearly be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2008 14:55:39 GMT
Hi Theobald,
I could see that the sword was originally integral with the base - in fact, there is still a part of the metal tab left on the base where the sword would have been attached originally.
But with regards to the precise stucture of the sword, is it not possible that the original "green" that was used to cast the sword was the same "green" that was used to cast this sword in other M figures? In other words, although the sword for the M16 was cast integral with the figure itself, once you remove the sword it in fact exactly resembles the swords of other M figures (as suggested by Gildor)?
thanks Steve
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Post by Theobald on Mar 7, 2008 23:02:51 GMT
Well, about swords of the early ranges ... let's say from M1 to M20 (there are not that many swords): as far as I can see there are differences throughout the shape of swords which all are different from the original M16 sword, which are: M6, M14, M20(orcish), M21(orcish), M31 continues with Rohirrim. These are all figures of the first sets bearings swords that were casted separately from the positions they have to take once assembled. All of them were castings directly connected with the figure as a whole. As far as I know Chris Tubb always sculpted the figures as "individuals" ... so are the swords of each individual figure. Of course there have to be similarities as for typical shape of weapons. ..... But with his figures they do (sometimes slightly) differ. That's the case with the M16 sword.
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Post by hsf62 on Mar 12, 2008 13:25:29 GMT
M16 got a unique sword like many other Mithril. There is only this one in the whole Mithril range with this shape.
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Post by Gildor on Mar 13, 2008 11:21:35 GMT
mmhhh well some people have switched swords together in that case, anyway once into its hand, the special design of this sword can be lost among others, I think
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Post by Gildor on Mar 16, 2008 21:42:57 GMT
well the ending price was more than correct for an uncomplete M16
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Post by erchamion on Mar 17, 2008 17:11:29 GMT
Hello, Gildor. When you say that the price was "more than correct" What do you mean? Is it more expensive than expected? Has been a bid price? I know that the value of something depends on many things: if it is the few that you have left to complete a collection, If the item is complete or not, etc. ...., but novices appreciate comments from collectors veterans Mithril
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Post by Gildor on Mar 17, 2008 20:00:54 GMT
oh well you know erchamion... my "M" range has been complete for many years now, the only gaps I have in my collection are prototypes or early christmas figurines... When I say it is "more than correct" , I mean it for the seller who was , at first, dubious that he would make any money out of it... and well he did which clearly means that even without sword the M16 has very good value I refer to the price lists made by Zoetrop who compile such list with the average price of mithril sales from ebay for the last years... So far the Average price of the M16 (complete and pristine) was 400€ (for info) it is only outpriced by the 1992 Galadriel (500€) and the 1988 Aragorn (1600€) ... (But I am not sure that talking about prices here is very welcome...)
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Post by erchamion on Mar 18, 2008 12:49:23 GMT
Thank you for your reply It is interesting to learn all this. Novices, due to ignorance of the market, can sometimes inflate the price of an item or be unnecessarily bidding for another and not ever get by bidding too low. So I like the idea of the list with the average price of mithril sales from ebay.... Although in the end the market is the one who decides
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Post by Gildor on Mar 19, 2008 20:30:26 GMT
well such a list with all references exists, made by zoetrop... but I must here advertise for my site.. which, though incomplete still, lists all references of Mithril with the average price and their rarity. Please visit the site at mithril.faerylands.net and check the database section (and feel free to join us on the MMP forums if you want )
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Post by Zoetrop on Mar 19, 2008 22:28:53 GMT
Hello Erchamion,
tell me your Email-Adress and I will send you the newest price list. No problem! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Theobald on Mar 24, 2008 2:27:24 GMT
still there's an 'individual sword' going together with M16, as hsf62 clearly stated ... and he's someone you can rely upon about these matters ... rhuoomm
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Post by Theobald on Mar 24, 2008 2:34:37 GMT
thanks, Gildor for providing the link here ....
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