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Post by Gildor on Nov 25, 2005 9:25:58 GMT
Well one suggestion of diorama you can make though, is using a fighting Isildur, not far from there, along with some orcs and trolls of mordor (surely you won't have problem to find any who fit ) you can put numenorean forces (from last alliance series in duplicate numbers) along with battle of Mirkwood forces, leaded by Oropher (father of Thranduil, who's found in the Last Alliance series) and convert the Celeborn reference from (battle of Mirkwood) to an "Amdir" Character who was also leading elven forces (for info, Amdir was the father of Amroth, and friend of Oropher, Amdir, was at this time King of Lorien, Oropher & Amdir both died during the battle of the Last Alliance), also a fighting Cirdan & Elrond from the LR series (early ringbearers) . Now, THIS would make a wonderfull illustration of the battle of the last Alliance. Glorfindel along with Gildor may have been present too, but there is no proof of that... Tell me what you think about it
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Post by ddaines on Nov 25, 2005 16:15:51 GMT
Gildor, Sounds good - I already have in mind a few figures to put in anyway, having a list of the names of those present (other than the obvious ones) is a welcome bonus.
Funny you should mention the B.O.M figures as they were heading towards the Plains of Gorgoroth as well. i have visualisations of how I want the Sauron figure to look, it just depends on how the kit comes, I don't want to detract from the original design too much. I will keep you posted on how things proceed, thaks again for the information.
David.
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Post by Gildor on Nov 25, 2005 16:54:52 GMT
By the way I checked again and found out that the army of king Durin IV of Moria was marching against the forces of Gorgoroth along with king Amdir... so if you want to put dwarves too
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Post by ddaines on Nov 25, 2005 18:34:22 GMT
Now there's a thought - hope some other collectors are taking note as well!
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Post by Axe99 on Nov 25, 2005 19:44:07 GMT
I like the sound of your thoughts Gildor/David - good luck with that diorama, it sounds great
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Post by Ori on Nov 26, 2005 11:15:36 GMT
Yu will need a bigger house to place a Diorama like that. ;-)
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Post by Gildor on Nov 26, 2005 14:13:41 GMT
I just checked again the books, it appears that dwarves were on BOTH sides... there were dwarves in Sauron host too... but mainly, Durin Folk was WITH the Last Alliance. Also, it would be cool , actually very cool, to make some regular M serie figurines of elves, numenoreans, or even trolls or haradrim-easterling men to be able to make dioramas (or games, whatever) about the Last Alliance Battle. There has been many series allowing people to create scens for the Battles of Gondor (Pelenor Fields), the Battle of Mirkwood, the Battle of the Five Armies, the battle of Helm's Deep, but nothing special about the Last Alliance battle... The cubject is covered by the licence though I think... There was a "range" for the Last Alliance figurines but it was mainly personnalities and some footmen, but nothing important enough to make a battle-scene... Well, I'd like your opinion about it By the way, I just received my Sauron figurines... it is amazingly great!!!! I'm planning on painting it asap
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Post by ddaines on Nov 26, 2005 16:26:07 GMT
;D Gildor, I should have asked which book/s are you getting your info from? I have most of the Christopher Tolkien publications somewhere (until they started to get a bit 'heavy' reading-wise), so it would be useful to have a browse through myself - just don't have time to look from scratch as we are fixing in a new kitchen which has taken longer than hoped.
Interesting about Dwarves on Saurons side as well. As it stands I have a few figures to put on including some trolls etc, but I need to be careful of the base size. I might have a close look at the Lossenarch figures when they arrive with the Sauron kit and see if they would look 'right'. This started out as a modest idea, but seems to be growing after every post!
Good luck with Sauron, hopefully mine will arrive soon!
David.
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Post by Gildor on Nov 27, 2005 10:12:20 GMT
well numenorean armors and gondorian armors (and mostly shields) are quite different (karma helmet, stars on shield etc...) Also, elvish infantry in full armor has rarely been made, actually I don't think there has been any set of elvish infantry at all...
as for the book reference, it is only from Silm and LOTR... the details on the differents compositions of armies are from the Silm, near the end, after Akallabeth.
about size, I was amazed at the size of the base of Sauron figure... it is surely the biggest base ever made by Mithril after the boxed set of "the Lord of the Nazgul vs Eowyn" and it allows a lot of details about lava flowing from long cracks in the ground (after all, Orodruin is not far from there)
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Post by ddaines on Nov 27, 2005 13:59:14 GMT
Silmarrilion isn't packed away, so that's good. Obviously styles of armour, Karma helmets in particular, may be a sticking point. but we shall see.
I have a base in mind which will accomodate the kit one ok without going too extreme. Just need to await the Dark Lord's arrival and get the brushes out.
Gildor, thanks very much for all the advice, and information on this subjectwhich has saved me a lot of time, even if I don't have an excuse to read through the books again at the moment!
Karma points on the way but I can only give once an hour apparently!
David.
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Post by Gildor on Nov 27, 2005 19:52:29 GMT
Not that I want to make free advertizing for Prince August products , but I checked the whole Prince August range and found out about the "fantasy armies supreme casting moulds" (32mm). For the moment the only moulds available seem to be.... elves, archers and infantry along with commander units (hornist, captains, standard-bearer. Indeed those elves have nothing to do with Tolkien stuff... (in the name of the product) but the style used for these ones is exactly the same one used for fighting elves made by Mithril and that could allow to make an elvish army that is currently missing in the mithril range... That was just a tought, I hope it helps
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Post by ddaines on Nov 27, 2005 22:24:24 GMT
Yes, I have those moulds and the figures turn out very nice (my moulding techniques aside) and as the originals are sculpted by Chris Tubb, they are ok to use if the Chris T association is important. Incidently, looking at the sample archer figure from the new range of moulds by PA, these will hopefully have good diorama potential (I'm not a roleplayer). Not sure if they're by Chris though - the face didn't look like his style but that may just have been the picture.
received your personal email and have replied - hopefully you will have received it by now.
David.
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Post by ddaines on Nov 28, 2005 23:46:22 GMT
;D The Dark Lord arrived today - what a beaut! Armour detail is very nicely done and the helmet still makes me think of the Alien creature so the paint job may lead that way. Size wise Sauron appears more 54mm (I'm sure somewhere a post quotes 75mm, but I believe scale depends on the interpretation) BUT I think this is good as it makes him large enough but not ridicuously so, compared to the GG and Elendil figures. He looks 'kill-able'. The accompanying figures are also mini masterpeices as you would expect and I can't wait to see some painted versions. This release has lived up to expectations and more! Now about that diorama!!! (I'll keep you posted Gildor - good luck with yours), David.
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Post by Gildor on Nov 29, 2005 8:50:05 GMT
in fact he is 54mm, but 75mm is from bottom of base to high tip of sword edge but the figurine itself is 54mm tall (actually it is even 54mm scaled, made to fit the 32mm scale ) As for myself, I just bought the warforge casting kit to make elves Also, about Gil-Galad, just for info, his armor is to be flashy silver because the name "Gil-Galad" (Starshine) was given to him because the glow of his armor and shield is lined with pure silver (and not gold apparently) and he can be seen from afar glowing.. There is just a little "bug" I think : Gil-galad scabbard is empty, and he is carying Aeglos, and not his sword. Still the sword is not on the ground, maybe he has lost it earlier.
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Post by ddaines on Dec 17, 2005 14:35:44 GMT
;DJust thought I would drop a line to congratulate Herbert Lukaszewski for his Sauron vignette - it looks a really nice piece.
I have at last (Gildor) finally settled on a suitable base for my attempt, so hopefully 'full production' can start soon.
Once again Herbert thanks for your photos ;D
David
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Post by Gildor on Dec 20, 2005 11:19:56 GMT
Congrats to Herbert Lukaszewski the vignette looks great! I hope I will have finished mine soon. I painted Gil-Galad in a different way though. I re-read all the passages from the unfinished tales, Silm and LotR and managed to get some info . First, Gil-Galad appears to have a scabbard on the vignette but no sword in it, I suppose he lost it, maybe it could be added on the floor of the vignette in some way or another (any sword could do)... I have not been able to find back the name of his sword... Then, in a poem said by Sam on Weathertop : "...His sword was long, his lance was keen, his shining helm afar was seen; the countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield..." another comment from the Unfinished Tales says : "It is recorded that Ereinion was given the name Gil-galad "Star of Radiance" "because his helm and mail, and his shield overlaid with silver and set with a device of white stars, shone from afar like a star in sunlight or moonlight, and could be seen by Elvish eyes at a great distance if they stood upon a height." Which lead me to have the primary color of all Gil-Galad armor helm and shield painted in Pure Silver directly (not even steel), I will add other colors in effect, above.. That should make quite a contrast with Isildur armor which is less radiant. But at the end, i am confident in the fact it will be impressive
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