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Post by ddaines on Jun 4, 2006 12:42:47 GMT
I just happend to be trawling though the LotR appendix (A) when I stumbled on the passage of King Arvedui's rescue by the Lossoth. This is only a suggestion as others have invested a lot of time in promoting the Lossoth idea as a release, but what about a vignette of a sled with King Avedui in it, wrapped in furs etc. with the Lossoth figure harnesed in and pulling the sled. I know the suggestion has been made that a team of dogs should pull the sled (think of the cost now!), but I remember well from personal experience of skiing and working in Northern Norway that fairly small skier-born sleds (we called them a Pulk) can easily carry a man and would do away with the need for Chris to have to include dogs, along with the extra cost. As I said, I will not put this forward as a suggestion myself as I belive the idea of the Lossoth is very close to someones heart (Twirch?), and we are now getting forum comments on who has the 'copyright' to a suggestion, but I do believe that this idea would tie the Lossoth's in more closely with the history of Middle Earth and the North Kingdom. If the idea has been suggested before I apologise, but to go back through all the suggestions is just too time consuming.  This of course would not be valid for this month's single figure suggestions. |
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Post by Gildor on Jun 4, 2006 13:12:33 GMT
I think the idea of the rescue of king arvedui by the lossoth in a vignette is excellent actually. that would put a theme in addition to the "lossoth" idea . Now, why does it have to be in a sled? the sled is a problem for the cost no matter the size of the sled. it could be a meeting of Arvedui arriving among the lossoth tribe in search for help, two lossoth one standing one sat taking care of a firecamp and Arvedui speaking to them asking for their help, on a base made of snow... three characters , a campfire on the base... less expensive and quite interesting for dioramas... still a series of simple lossoth hunters would be welcome though, to build up a lossoth encampment around this campfire
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Post by barliman on Jun 4, 2006 16:40:02 GMT
I think it highly improbable that we'll ever see an entire series of Lossoth figures - I seriously doubt that Mitrhil would consider it to be commercially viable, and they'd be right - but I do very much like Dave's idea as revised by Gildor of Arvedui and a couple of Lossoth hunters meeting. The omission of the sled would reduce the cost, and the vignette would give Dave and the other diorama modellers out there a couple of Lossoth figures to work with rather than just one. Anyone really interested in a vignette with a sled could always make a sled of their own - not a very difficult task. Great combined idea, Gildor and Dave!
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Post by Ori on Jun 4, 2006 17:11:51 GMT
Looks great to me
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Post by twrich on Jun 4, 2006 19:46:08 GMT
Well Dave, the Lossoth ARE close to my heart (being from Minneapolis), although I don't think anyone ever claimed to have a copyright on a suggestion. Perhaps by asking for a clarification on guidelines about suggestions, some got the wrong impression. I Really just want to have a Lossoth figure of any design Chris wants, as I agree that it is likely to be some time before Mithril would be able to do an M series of Lossoth. Perhaps this will be the month that we do get an individual Lossoth Hunter.
About the vignette with Arvedui and a Lossoth or two, I think that would also be great, and capture one of the pivotal scenes in LOTR lore.
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Post by ddaines on Jun 4, 2006 21:57:12 GMT
Hi Twrich,
Good luck with your quest, the comment about copyright on suggestions was really only a passing response to a couple of other posts - if like me you don't give a d**n about who actually suggests a figure as long as it gets made, I think that is the way to go.
After all, from my point of view if I had a winning suggestion and couldn't afford a second copy for investment purposes, I normally cut the bases of the figures anyway (and melt them down for use in the PA 32mm Fantasy moulds).
Like I said in the post about the Lossoth and the King, should members feel that the expansion on the idea makes it an even more attractive option than before, then as far as I'm concerned the kudos go to yourself along with any design consultation etc. I'm actually quite warming to the idea of a Lossoth figure/range.
p.s. Is Minneapolis really that similar to the frozen wastes of Middle Earth?
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Post by Gildor on Jun 5, 2006 7:24:36 GMT
oh by the ways, as for being the one who suggested an idea or not... once it is won, well Chris Tubb contacts you when he has finished sculpting it to be the first to see the result but as for myself, I never had discussion about conception with Chris. it is not like the MX project.
I won the vote two times so far (for Sauron and for Cirdan) and we never really discussed about it in mail at all
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Post by aelfwine on Jun 7, 2006 23:41:21 GMT
Well something I've frequently been calling for is a "Rangers of the North" series. The Lossoth could tie in with the "theme" - Rangers, perhaps one of the Elves of the Wandering Companies, and a Lossoth hunter or two. Basically the idea is to have the Rangers - and fellows they'd encounter. Perhaps a Warg also.
Gavin
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Post by Will the Fey on Jun 17, 2006 19:16:08 GMT
Well something I've frequently been calling for is a "Rangers of the North" series. The Lossoth could tie in with the "theme" - Rangers, perhaps one of the Elves of the Wandering Companies, and a Lossoth hunter or two. Basically the idea is to have the Rangers - and fellows they'd encounter. Perhaps a Warg also. A very good idea Gavin! An entire series of Lossoth figures is highly improbable and I personally don't want to see a whole series Lossoths only. But the North themed series: including Lossoths, the Rangers of North and a big nasty Warg sounds just fantastic!  Keep on promoting your fine idea, you have my support Gavin!  |
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Post by Gildor on Jun 28, 2006 16:07:01 GMT
Actually I was thinking about all those ideas of Arvedui, Arathorn, Glorfindel, Withcking on horse and crown, the lossoth and realm of the north.... well, of course there could be a regular "M series" of the "rangers of the north" but I think there would be a GREAT idea of a M Range. To go along the very early "range" of the armies of the witch-king of Angmar, why not "the Fall of Arnor" with all of these followings:
- Arvedui in exile with the palantir
- rescuing Lossoth (two figs)
- the Witch-king AT Fornost, or at Carn-Dum (his citadel of Angmar)
- Glorfindel in battle-gear (he was there and actually he was the one to make the prophecy that "Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall")
- Earnur about to pursue the Witch-King (stopped by Glorfindel)
- Soldiers of Arnor, along with what would later become Rangers of the North (the sons of Arvedui)
this would make a great set with lots of missing figurines in the whole set, based on 3rd age and would satisfy quite a lot of Fellowship suggestions until now.
let me know your ideas , please
What do you think about it?
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Post by ddaines on Jun 28, 2006 17:05:57 GMT
Sounds good to me - I think a few members both here and on MMP are keen on the 'Northern' series, so if we put the pressure on with lots of good ideas who knows.
Incidently I will scan and send to Micheal a drawing of my vision of the rescue of the king by the Lossoth, it may help promote the idea maybe!
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Post by Axe99 on Jun 28, 2006 21:59:49 GMT
It's a great idea Gildor - I guess the only thing is that it may be a bit 'obscure' for a regular M-release. Maybe through persistent fellowship voting?  |
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Post by Gildor on Jun 29, 2006 15:13:41 GMT
well obscure maybe, but there are dark series in mithril too.... Mount Gundabad is quite "evil", orcs of the red eye with the torture of Frodo and the scene of Shagrat and Gorbag.... and well after all, it is not totally "obscure"... even if the "good guys do not win this time" |
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Post by Will the Fey on Sept 30, 2006 15:54:38 GMT
a vignette of a sled with King Avedui in it, wrapped in furs etc. with the Lossoth figure harnesed in and pulling the sled. I know the suggestion has been made that a team of dogs should pull the sled (think of the cost now!), but I remember well from personal experience of skiing and working in Northern Norway that fairly small skier-born sleds (we called them a Pulk) can easily carry a man... At first I didn't like the idea of Lossoth hunter much, but now it has begun to interest me more and more. I was sure that I don't want the Lossoth hunter with a sledge, because it would cost much more than without it. But now I'm really not so sure anymore.  It's a tempting idea to have King Arvedui in sledge rescued by Lossoth hunter. And it's so good idea, that it could even justify the extra cost for me...  In generally I don't want to have many Fellowship vignettes, because they cost so much. 50-60 euros is much too much to put this hobby every other mouth. What do you think, do you prefer Lossoth hunter with a sledge or without it? I know that "small skier-born sled" very well. It's called ahkio or pulkka in Finnish. In English it is toboggan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toboggan Today it's used mainly by kids, they run down a hill with it. But toboggan pulled by a man with skies was used by Finnish soldiers in WWII. They used it carry heavy machine guns, ammo and wounded soldiers. The true Lossoths: the Sami people in Lapland and the Innu in Canada, still use pulkka/toboggan today. It's usually pulled by reindeer/caribou. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innu |
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Post by Theobald on Oct 1, 2006 12:11:39 GMT
I simply like this idea very much It leads to a new range for miniatures. I would like to have more figures from the north of Tolkien's tales. I could also imagine an M-series about those. But on the other hand I think they unfortunately wouldn't have that much support among other collectors.  Anyway, I'll vote for "Lossie" at last, because I want to see this idea to be realized. |
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Anyway, I'll vote for "Lossie" at last, because I want to see this idea to be realized.