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Post by Michael O'Brien on Jul 27, 2011 15:11:42 GMT
This is an experimental first attempt to make this project a reality. Voting Starts on the 15th of August 2011. Please remember that Chris Tubb, our sculptor, has the final say in regard to whether a range is feasible or legal (license restrictions). Members can choose anything they wish, as long as it falls within the constraints of the Tolkien licence, and as long as the 10 releases are 10 single figures, or 9 single figures and 1 cavalryman ( or equivalent).* Read more: mithrilfigures.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mseriesvote&thread=1066&page=1#ixzz1TJowYr31you can include images or text or quotes to back up your submission. Good research NOW helps increase your chance of having your idea accepted.
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Post by Gildor on Jul 27, 2011 16:55:00 GMT
well as it was said that among the first batch of suggestion there SHOULD be the long awaited
Helm's Deep 2 "death to strawheads" [/size]
I will suggest it, so that it is present in the suggestions to be voted for....
I am sure it will get some support... and it will be easy to produce it since it already exists...
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Post by imisel on Jul 27, 2011 17:41:23 GMT
helm's deep 2, of course
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Post by bombadil1963 on Jul 27, 2011 18:58:36 GMT
Some men of Dale and some dwarfs (I know it´s written dwarves nowadays . . .) of Mount Erebor. No horsemen. By the way: good idea . . .
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Post by Turambar on Jul 27, 2011 20:54:15 GMT
A second range that also exists already is the "Easterlings" ! So, for me there can not be another way instead suggesting this:
EASTERLINGS
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Post by Turambar on Jul 27, 2011 21:06:13 GMT
Ah- just read the "Easterlings" are too large for this release! Well, that´s a kind of odd, isn´t it. For years! The Easterlings are finished, but in this case they are too large, they won´t be released otherwise- so the Easterlings are un-reachable. So- what the heck . . . ! You don´t want to release them. Why? There are two possibilities: 1. they seems to be so absolutely brilliant, that mithril wants to keep them for themselves. Understable this is, absolutely! 2. they are so awful, that mithril don´t want to bother their consumers. This is also understandable. BUT: I buy the masters- nevertheless !!!! Just tell me the price. And remember: this is serious!
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Post by jdbrown55 on Jul 27, 2011 21:10:34 GMT
I will suggest the Helm's Deep 2 series as well.
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Post by Gildor on Jul 27, 2011 22:00:11 GMT
the easterlings seem to be a range of full mounted riders ... the opposite of Dol Amroth...
I suppose they will attempt to release them later, if this new M format is a success...
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Post by ddaines on Jul 27, 2011 22:24:53 GMT
HD 2! They are done - lets get them produced; they may even bump sales of HD 1 as there will be more baddies for the Rohirrim to fight!
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Post by barliman on Jul 28, 2011 6:59:45 GMT
I go along with everyone else - HD2 is the logical choice, since they're ready to go.
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Post by Theobald on Jul 28, 2011 9:47:21 GMT
HD2
I don't really understand why all this has been started in a time of year when many people will be on holiday ... so some votes might get lost.
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Post by Gildor on Jul 28, 2011 9:52:00 GMT
this should have been started two months ago... it was planned so by Chris... it was delayed due to PA staff being focalised on other important matters at the time it seems....
I just hope it won't generate a bad excuse from Mithril, later on, if this project does not work out as well as it should have... I assure you it would sadden Chris and myself greatly....
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Post by Milo on Jul 28, 2011 10:20:52 GMT
I may support also HD2. But goal here is to propose, not to vote yet !
So I think everyone shall be creative and propose more ideas. Otherwise this project will not start as it should.
Here my own suggestion.
"The Hobbit Dwarves in war gear". We already have Thorin, Balin and Gloin in war gear....where are the 10 others ?
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Post by Thingol on Jul 28, 2011 10:42:04 GMT
HD2 since we already have seen pictures of this M range... and I hope soon we would see those figures on market...
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Post by Wendy on Jul 28, 2011 12:53:16 GMT
I suggest Rangers of the North/Grey Company. With one of them mounted.
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Post by protozeus on Jul 29, 2011 6:55:16 GMT
"The Hobbit Dwarves in war gear". We already have Thorin, Balin and Gloin in war gear....where are the 10 others ? Very nice! Yes! Yes! Yes!
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Post by aelfwine on Jul 29, 2011 16:31:29 GMT
Well, while I very, very, VERY much want ten Rangers of the North/Grey Company figures (really-really-really), I will go with the crowd and vote for Helm's Deep 2 - Death to the Strawheads. (I assume there will be about 10 of these guys, normally - so two parts of part 2, as it were?)
However, I bought three each of the Rohir figures for HD1. I will eventually buy each of the Isengard figures. I had need of Rohir at the time, not Isengard figures. I am not going to buy the things merely because they are there. They look lovely and all, but I will fight that fight when I get to it. The problem is, it took me MONTHS to strip the goop off the figures. There was blood in the water, from the scraping brush. The figures, when I got them out were...ok, but not as good as older Rohir figures.
And this was me, the loyal customer. I can't imagine someone less inspired/silly paying that extra money and taking that extra effort. So keep this in mind when constructing the price and release schedule. Too high a price, too much trouble to deal with, no one's going to buy them.
Beyond all that, there's also supposed to be a Rhudaur or Wilderland collection floating around; at this point I suggest you sell the lot as low casting-numbers, high collector value figures. It also may be time to consider new materials for the figures.
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Post by arthadan on Jul 29, 2011 18:09:50 GMT
I won't vote for something I can't see. If Helm's Deep Part 2 and Easterlings are already sculpted, I'd like to see how they are before deciding.
Since we are speaking about (potentially) pricey miniatures, I wouldn't commit myself blindly to buy whatever is produced in a serie named "Grey Company" or "Dwarves" or anything else, at least I'd need to see sketches before.
This weekend I'll begin to work in my own ten sketches, however i don't know if I would have them in time.
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Post by Gildor on Jul 29, 2011 20:42:15 GMT
Helm's Deep 2 pictures have been posted at several occasions by Michael already Arthadan, and pictures of the full set do exist, I have no doubt Mithril will provide them if it wins
as for seeing sketches, production steps or anything "visual" before passing a preorder, I fully agree
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Post by arthadan on Jul 29, 2011 22:52:03 GMT
First sketch from me, so time to reveal my suggestion. Since The One Ring, the new RPG based in Middle-earth is coming out in August, is based in Rhovanion I suggest a serie called "Heroes of Rhovanion". It would be a character range in combat poses with adventurer gear. I have in my list: - Barding Nobleman (chainmail, sword, oval shield) - Woodman warrior (female with two-handed axe) with hound - Mirkwood hunter (Silvan Elf) - Beorning Champion (warg skin cloak) - Lonely Mountain Dwarf - Wandering Dúnadan Ranger - Easterling Adventurer - Mysterious Elf (cloaked and hooded with thin sword) - Hobbit from the Vale of Anduin ("wild" Hobbit). Since the hound would be quite big (almost pony-sized), it would count as a double reference. I plan to sketch all of them if there is enough interest. Here you are the first one, Orri Ironfoot from the Lonely Mountain (click on it to see the full size image):
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Post by gilgaladtolkien on Jul 30, 2011 11:34:33 GMT
I suggest:
The Battle of the Five Armies
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Post by aelfwine on Aug 2, 2011 16:54:18 GMT
Actually, I would rather go with Wendy or Arthadan's proposal: something that ties in with the new One Ring RPG setting (seriously, folks, get on that!) or the Rangers of the North. Both are suitably "prestige" ranges to be worth spending the extra money on, rather than a range of soldiers who are worth rather less money. I do not collect these figures just to have them. I collect them to paint and wargame and make dioramas and use in RPGs and so on. A bunch of highly expensive soldiers does not help me here. A bunch of prestige heroes and personalities and whatnot is easier to justify.
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Post by protozeus on Aug 2, 2011 18:20:58 GMT
Yes, supporting this new RPG by new ranges should be a no-brainer for Mithril (and place some advertising into the books?); we should not even have to vote for this. So make it two new ranges! ;D
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Post by arthadan on Aug 3, 2011 14:59:30 GMT
My thoughts, exactly! I think I'll go on sketching.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 3, 2011 16:21:48 GMT
well new ranges going along the RPG would indeed be a good idea IF a link is created, on a marketing point of view, between Mithril and this RPG... otherwise... the effet may be not very significative except for those who already play or will play this game , among the already existing mithril community... then where would be the gain? thoug I really like this idea, it is not really interesting without an established "commercial" partnership...
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Post by arthadan on Aug 3, 2011 21:10:28 GMT
Of course, the range should be advertised in the RPG official forum and so, hoping to lure new customers (I think that's what Mithril needs most). Otherwise it will be (almost) pointless.
I guess no partnership is needed as long as Mithril does not produce miniatures strictly based on Cubicle7 illustrations. Mithril can produce as many adventurers ranges as wanted. Rather than strategic partnership (which would be nice), what would be needed is good marketing in the right places.
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Post by aelfwine on Aug 5, 2011 0:06:47 GMT
Alas, the right places are incredibly hard to find anymore. As I alluded to earlier, time was, Prince August or Mithril would buy ad space in White Dwarf or Dragon. WD is now a Games Workshop monthly catalogue and Dragon is Wizards of the Coast's online scenario booklet.
RPG.net, the biggest of all the RPG boards might potentially get you the "eyeballs" but its such a diverse and busy board that you'd probably get lost in the shuffle.
Right now, though, the C7 game is showing a lot of discussion. C7's page gets a lot of traffic. A mithril link there? Might deliver people and their wallets to the website.
Jon Hodgson's interpretations are somewhat different to the MERP art which suffuses so much of Mithril's "look" but you could potentially make a deal with them to sell player character type figures for the game. I am quite confident that Chris Tubb could sculpt new Misty Mountain goblins that looked like the older Mithril orcs, while also drawing influence from the new illustrations. This is just for example.
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Post by arthadan on Aug 5, 2011 21:37:28 GMT
Alas, the right places are incredibly hard to find anymore. I don't really think so. If the target customer is the new RPG player, Theonering.net is a good place to start besides the obvious Cubicle7 official forum and all webzines (in which you can place advertisement for free or really cheap!). Anything but seat idly (no offense intended, but it's what I've seen for the last years regarding marketing).
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Post by twrich on Aug 6, 2011 5:37:15 GMT
It seems there has really been little effort to partner with the logical sites/groups that could help promote Mithril. As far as I can tell, the marketing effort is basically "we're going to revise our website and rely on customers." This is all good, but I wonder how Mithril will ever rebuild its customer base if it doesn't agressively advertise across several different mediums . . . . that also means contacting every company that has a LOTR license for any product . . . from action figures to board games to the new RPG system. And I believe it also means reaching out via the internet to the major retail gaming stores that still operate in major metropolitan areas. There are bound to be opportunities to market Mithril as a result from estalishing such business contacts. The only cost to Mithril/PA is time, as I am not sugessting buying ad space in a magazine.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 8, 2011 11:36:22 GMT
I won't vote for something I can't see. If Helm's Deep Part 2 and Easterlings are already sculpted, I'd like to see how they are before deciding. Since we are speaking about (potentially) pricey miniatures, I wouldn't commit myself blindly to buy whatever is produced in a serie named "Grey Company" or "Dwarves" or anything else, at least I'd need to see sketches before. This weekend I'll begin to work in my own ten sketches, however i don't know if I would have them in time. The voting is to decide what range is preferred. If no-one supports an idea, why would Mithril make it? Chris is not fond of making sketches. I asked for years about such things and the results are not promising. He sculpts rather than sketches.
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