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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 7, 2014 9:35:46 GMT
UPDATE: I received the list of ideas today (27th) so sorry for the delay, I have extended the final date to help make up the lost time.
There was some members who disliked the way we run the vote so I am experimenting a bit. This round is the ONLY round, primarily because we are short of time this month. However you will not be able to see the results until AFTER the poll closes and locks.
You can tell me if you think this is better or worse than having it closed only after you vote, or open all the time. I know I cannot please everyone.
This vote expires on September 4th at 16.00.
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 7, 2014 10:18:22 GMT
Support Elfhelm of Rohan!
No suggestion from me, just beating the drums!!
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Post by Gildor on Aug 7, 2014 12:41:36 GMT
Support Elfhelm of Rohan ! (bis)
(suggestion by Barliman indeed)
as a post scriptum, in addition to last month final post by Michael, I still think that two votes, the first one being a blind vote would be the best. indeed the second vote could allow people to change their vote during the voting period.
But too much lobbying (and people can be good at it...) could jeopardize the result of a "first round vote" if the results are visible before you put your vote....
So please, keep the two votes system
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Post by Theobald on Aug 7, 2014 14:45:58 GMT
I would like to massively support Gildor's statement about the present "voting-system" as to me it is ridiculous. This possibility of changing one's vote until the voting expires is absurd. To me voting always meant that you give your private vote and in the end there'll be a result. Imagine such a "voting system" as we find it with the Gold-Fellowship being transferred to political elections ... ? No, better not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 15:53:15 GMT
I would like to support Elfhelm but would only want to do this if it was mounted figure.
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Post by ddaines on Aug 7, 2014 18:02:34 GMT
"WELL THIS IS THE END SAM GAMGEE" (Mount Doom/The Field of Cormallen
On the 'back' of the marvellous MX600 release, I would like to suggest Frodo and Sam depicted (ith some artistic licence) as the eagles and Gandalf found them after completion of the quest. Slumped upon a rocky outcrop, Frodo's head is resting on Sam's chest and Sam with a protective arm about his Master, his other arm thrown over his own face, protecting it from the ruin of Mount Doom and their own lack of hope of rescue. I know that this is a single figure month but the idea being that both figures are sculpted together (possibly integral to the base) and being Hobbit size, no larger than a single foot figure. |
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Post by khador on Aug 7, 2014 18:28:12 GMT
My idea : Elven sailor from Grey Havens
I don't have any description as reference but I trust Chris to fill us with wonder
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 8, 2014 8:06:47 GMT
Old Toby of the ShireTobold Hornblower also known as Old Toby was a Hobbit of the Shire.
Tobold was a well-respected gardener, most notable for his discovery and cultivation of the herb Pipe-weed, circa TA 2670,
1070 by Shire Reckoning. He resided in the Southfarthing village of Longbottom, and there he was immortalized as 'Old Toby'.
The Pipe-weed variety 'Old Toby' was definitely named after him, and possibly 'Longbottom Leaf' as well.
According to Herblore of the Shire, by Meriadoc Brandybuck, it was believed that Tobold Hornblower learned about Pipe-weed in Bree,
as that was the farthest from the Shire that he traveled and the herb grows on the south slopes of the hill there.
His growing of Pipe-weed led to the herb's popularity throughout the Shire and beyond.
 I imagine Old Toby with a hat, coat and barefooted of course, standing or sitting and smoking a long Hobbit-pipe with pleasure  and as it is a small figure, a addition of a bench or small table with some small barrels whould be great. One barrel is open and shows the ready for sale or trade Pipe-weed inside. Every Barrel has a big Label on the side for a nice logo paint-job.  Gandalf the Wizard, Bilbo and all Hobbit Heros loved to smoke and even Saruman had connections to the Shire to get the Pipe-weed, because Merry and Pippin found some barrels with Longbottom-Leaf when Isengard was besieged. Old Toby is a famous Hobbit Character
who is still missing in the Mithril range!
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 8, 2014 9:48:03 GMT
I would like to massively support Gildor's statement about the present "voting-system" as to me it is ridiculous. This possibility of changing one's vote until the voting expires is absurd. To me voting always meant that you give your private vote and in the end there'll be a result. Imagine such a "voting system" as we find it with the Gold-Fellowship being transferred to political elections ... ? No, better not. Why? The whole purpose of a secondary vote was to allow you to reallocate your vote anyway. It means you can change your mind if you see your initial idea will not win so you vote for your second favourite instead. This new system simply cuts down the workload while having the same effect. The winner will be the one that the majority vote for, but instead of having it done over two voting rounds, it is done over one that offers a 'revote' to voters. Not everything can be transferred to politics but if it was possible for people to change their minds if they see their first choice in politics fail and instead move their vote to the 2nd favourite person then surely that would be fairer in every respect and reflect a better democracy. It might also encourage people to keep abreast of the voting state until it expires. Also all votes ARE private. Its not like you are identified, even by me, by which option you choose. All I can see is WHO voted and I am the admin. I remind you that initially the GSF only had one voting round too. I expanded it to two to allow people to REALLOCATE their vote to their 2nd favourite. This was because of the forum's technical limits at that time. I will see if it is possible to improve the option for voting further in August. |
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Post by Gildor on Aug 8, 2014 11:14:29 GMT
better not expand this debate on a political point of view master O'Brian, you might attract yourself a lot of furious backlash... I will conclude with what I have to say about it : Current democracy includes secrecy for the identity of who votes but also HIGH secrecy about the results of a vote before the vote ends. Knowing the results of a vote before its end (factually I mean, not "extrapolations") would be a direct attack to the core notion of democracy. We are not in politics here indeed the implications are very very very lower , but I just wanted to make my point. Besides this is off topic (I'm expert at being off topic I know) If you want to respect democracy then, it is easy  make a poll yourself to ask GF members what they prefer (two rounds or single one with switch option ) (I assure you, a single vote will be enough hehehe) |
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Post by barliman on Aug 8, 2014 12:34:00 GMT
Thanks to people saying that they'd support Elfhelm, but, like Quendil, I feel strongly that an Elfhelm figure needs to be mounted, so I won't be suggesting him in a single-figure month - and I hope no one else will either, otherwise if he should win (very unlikely in my experience, but stranger things have happened) people would be unlikely to support a subsequent mounted figure suggestion.
On the voting debate, I would have to say that the "two-rounds of voting" system we had until recently was the best approach, with round one "blind".
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Post by Mornedhel on Aug 8, 2014 18:43:14 GMT
better not expand this debate on a political point of view master O'Brian, you might attract yourself a lot of furious backlash... I will conclude with what I have to say about it : Current democracy includes secrecy for the identity of who votes but also HIGH secrecy about the results of a vote before the vote ends. Knowing the results of a vote before its end (factually I mean, not "extrapolations") would be a direct attack to the core notion of democracy. We are not in politics here indeed the implications are very very very lower , but I just wanted to make my point. Besides this is off topic (I'm expert at being off topic I know) If you want to respect democracy then, it is easy make a poll yourself to ask GF members what they prefer (two rounds or single one with switch option ) (I assure you, a single vote will be enough hehehe) My two cents ... Representative democracy are anyway not "democratic". Once the vote done, your elected representatives will not engage themselves on the same way as the majority of people wants ans especially on external politics I will vote for an easier one round vote which as Michal said is the same result as a 2 votes |
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Post by Gildor on Aug 8, 2014 19:17:27 GMT
I think the best approach would be to have a blind vote but once you put your vote, you can change your vote but not unlimited times... because this system, basically allows you to change your vote many times.
remember that such kind of votes allow for 'sanction votes' , meaning that you would vote for "anything" providing it is NOT a given suggestion... completly sacrificing what you actually would like to see realised...
this transforms the "vote 'for' what you like" into "vote 'against' what you don't like".... isn't it a bit odd?
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Post by Theobald on Aug 8, 2014 20:07:11 GMT
Gentlemen, I would like to apologize for having unwillingly aroused this discussion about voting and elections here. I am aware that this has run out of topic in this thread. That I did not intend. I never wanted to start a discussion about political elections or democracy in general.
All I did was just to criticize the the present votin-system on this board. I simply said, to support my point of view, that I would NOT like to imagine to have it transferred to political elections.
Maybe someone got me wrong.
I did not react to the last entries, but with this one want to appeal that you Gentlemen please keep in mind that this is about hobbies and collecting, not a place to start political discussions.
So, please let's get back to providing suggestions for miniatures here. Thank you.
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Post by Axel on Aug 10, 2014 13:07:09 GMT
They are coming...
A dwarf, exhausted and showing the signs of many a battle, a book in hand where he takes notes, looking up in alert and despair. This captures the last entry into the book Mazarbul. A second later he will add a last sentence, grab his axe, and face his fate.
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 10, 2014 13:49:40 GMT
That whould be old age Ori, Axel?
nice to read from you again...
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Post by mcdsean on Aug 10, 2014 15:41:07 GMT
Golasgil, Lord of Anfalas
From Minas Tirith- The Return of the King
"From the Anfalas, the Langstrand far away, a long line of men of many sorts, hunters and herdsmen and men of little villages, scantily equipped save for the household of Golasgil their lord."
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Post by Mornedhel on Aug 12, 2014 9:06:39 GMT
Rumil, guardian of LothlorienRúmil, Haldir's brother, was a border-guard of Lórien and guarded the border of the country to the west together with his brothers, Rúmil was present at the Fellowship of the Ring's first meeting with Lórien elves. He will be a nice companion to his brother MS551
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Post by Luthien Tinuviel on Aug 14, 2014 9:13:41 GMT
Vorondil the Hunter, Steward of Gondor to King Eärnil II
I imagine him in hunting dress with the big horn of Gondor (same as Boromir) on his side
Vorondil the Hunter was the Steward of Gondor between the years 1998-2029 Third Age.
He was born in T.A. 1919, the son of Pelendur. He was a descendant of Húrin of Emyn Arnen, an earlier Steward of Gondor and the father of Mardil Voronwë, the first Ruling Steward of Gondor.
Vorondil was a great hunter, and hunted wild kine in the lands east of the Sea of Rhûn.[1] The great Horn of Gondor that Boromir of the Fellowship of the Ring had was descended from Vorondil, an heirloom of the House of Húrin.
He died in T.A. 2029 and was succeeded by his son Mardil as Steward.
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Post by twrich on Aug 19, 2014 5:43:05 GMT
Hi Michael. Regarding the two rounds of voting that was adopted after we initially had a single round; I feel a need to remind you that I was the person who first suggested it, and GF members mostly (but not all) supported the idea. It was based upon the fact that if there is only one voting round, and everyone who suggested a figure voted for their own suggestion, that the winner in one round of voting would be decided by those who hadn't made a suggestion for that month. By having a second round, members who made a suggestion would be able to vote for their idea in the first round, and if it wasn't a finalist, then they could vote for another suggestion in the second round. My suggestion for two rounds of voting had nothing to do with being able to change a vote during either round of voting. That is something Mithril (you) added later. The idea of having two rounds, I suggested at the time, also would give members a reason to go to the Mithril site more than just once during the voting period--perhaps even increasing Mithril sales! I don't remember any conversation about technical difficulties, or website issue--a brief trip to the Mithril archives will confirm what I have just stated. Perhaps these website issues were discussed afterwards, or in a different thread, or perhaps I missed them? In any case Michael, you of course are free to manage this site as you'd like, and I will continue to suggest, vote for, and buy Mithrils designed by Chris, whether there are one or two rounds of voting. But I just wanted to remind everyone of the logic behind conducting two rounds of voting. Perhaps having two rounds is difficult for you--I know you are busy.
I'm sorry that this is off topic, but this thread is where the conversation regarding this issue has been posted, and I feel a need to respond to the comments above.
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Post by twrich on Aug 19, 2014 5:54:29 GMT
LOSSOTH FEMALE ON BONE-SKATES!
Chris can decide the details if she should win.
The Lossoth Hunter needs a companion!
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Post by Shadyt on Aug 19, 2014 20:53:08 GMT
Bombur in Wargear
At the Battle of Five Armies
"Now the dwarves took down mail and weapons from the walls, and armed themselves."
"Out leapt the King under the Mountain, and his companions followed him. Hood and cloak were gone; they were in shining armor"
From the Hobbit
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Post by barliman on Aug 20, 2014 19:51:47 GMT
If Bombur should win, I hope that this time Chris makes him genuinely FAT. His earlier Bombur just looks mildly overweight!
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 22, 2014 15:25:23 GMT
I am having problems contacting Chris Tubb at this time thus the vote will not start until I do. Sorry for the delay.
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Post by Happy Ent on Aug 24, 2014 18:00:31 GMT
If Bombur should win I would like him just the way the last sculpt is. I like my Mithril minis not beeing too exaggerated and comical.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 25, 2014 16:50:46 GMT
well, I'm perplex, if Bombur wins and is just the way the last sculpt is, what's the point in making it again the same way??
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Post by Shadyt on Aug 25, 2014 20:59:10 GMT
My suggestion is nothing like the other miniature.
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Post by barliman on Aug 26, 2014 16:24:30 GMT
well, I'm perplex, if Bombur wins and is just the way the last sculpt is, what's the point in making it again the same way?? Agreed. |
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Post by Happy Ent on Aug 26, 2014 21:21:02 GMT
I meant he should have the built like the other Bombur-Mini. Neither the pose nor the equipment should be the same... I just feared a "Bombur in Wargear" beeing "genuinely FAT" could look like the Dwarves Wargames Foundry made, which I really dislike.
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Post by Shadyt on Aug 27, 2014 12:35:53 GMT
I am sure that Chris is more than capable of sculpting a Bombur in armor that looks much different than a Bombur in travelling cloak.
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make a poll yourself to ask GF members what they prefer (two rounds or single one with switch option ) 
