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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 24, 2005 13:58:24 GMT
VOTING HAS ENDED FOR AUGUST. Due to the problems with the Luthien votes  , we waited until Chris returned from holidays today and checked with Tolkien Enterprises rules. Luthien cannot be made as she and Beren are not really part of the LOTR but only referred to. They are truly Silmarillion. I also removed Old Man Willow after a chat with Chris, he said it would be too difficult to produce and do it justice at the same time. The 'fifteen birds in five fir trees' was also removed as it is simply too big and has more trees in it. The Dwarves and Bilbo was removed as we have plans for that in the normal Mithril ranges. BUT DO NOT DESPAIR.  . I asked about Sauron and Chris will agree to make him in armour so I have added that option in. Also added some options overlooked last time (Shadowfax and also Merry rallying the Shire.) I also took some of the options that had very high popularity last month and relisted them. Due to the revote I extend the deadline by a week. When voting please remember that your vote may be the decideing one. This will also reflect costs, so a single figure will be a lot cheaper to buy than a vignette containing 3 or more figures. Some members have expressed concern that if we make vignettes every month the cost will mount up so we will consider alloting certain months to single figure suggestions. What do you think of that idea? It will focus the suggestions and provide an interesting challenge when thinking up a new figure. So for example we might have a list of figures like the following to vote on: Beorn holding Thorin, Bombur, Galadriel playing harp or Mounted Radaghast, etc. I think all our fans will be satisfied at the list of 24 options to vote for. Remember one vote per member. You can add your personal comment why you voted for that option as well. Also if you see two choices you like, you can always suggest one next month again for the next round. So choose wisely as Gandalf might say. If you want to ask questions or make unrelated comments then DO NOT add it to this topic. Use the 'questions' thread. Have fun. |
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Post by opou on Aug 24, 2005 14:36:43 GMT
Well, of course I will vote for Sauron and isildur.
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Post by agodet on Aug 24, 2005 14:54:54 GMT
Hi,
Oups !!!
Sauron against Elendil Isildur !!! ;-)))))))
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arnaud
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Post by aelfwine on Aug 24, 2005 15:02:25 GMT
And I voted for a Ranger. Of course  I think a single figure/vignette alternation would be best. I am not really all that interested in vignettes - though I have dreams of a super Pellenor Fields diorama featuring the two Pellenor Dioramas, the Mumak, the Ranger Fighting Southron and some other bits and bobs. One day. When I am rich. G |
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Post by khador on Aug 24, 2005 15:06:09 GMT
As Luthien and Beren can't be produced (will the contract with Tolkien Entreprises be changed one next day ?...) I have voted for Lord of the Rings : Sauron fighting Elendil and Isildur (at last a figure of the evil great lord of Mordor..., and not the last one I hope)
Jeremy
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Post by agodet on Aug 24, 2005 15:08:53 GMT
<Also if you see two choices you like, you can always suggest one next month again for the next round.>
Mounted ranger of the north.
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Arnaud
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Post by khador on Aug 24, 2005 15:23:10 GMT
<Also if you see two choices you like, you can always suggest one next month again for the next round.>
My suggestion for next month is "Beregond & Pippin facing a Troll Chieftain" (overuse of Sauron can be lethal ...)
Jeremy
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Post by gilgaladtolkien on Aug 24, 2005 19:09:08 GMT
Yeah Sauron and Isildur, we all need them  ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
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Post by Gildor on Aug 24, 2005 19:17:36 GMT
the idea of alloting months for single figures is a good idea and I am 100% for, you would only have to mention at the beginning of the months suggestions which kind of figurines will be made this month , thus we would know what kind og suggestions to make as for the vote , well, Sauron against Isildur and Elendil of course . I am pleased to see this choice back up |
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Post by Axel on Aug 24, 2005 20:20:30 GMT
"Sauron fighting Elendil and Isildur"
Well, imho I am reluctant to get a mini of Sauron in his full "glory". Imho no miniature can capture the terror that Sauron should radiate.
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Post by ddaines on Aug 24, 2005 20:33:47 GMT
As it would seem certain that (yahoo at last!) Chris's hand may be forced into doing a Sauron figure, would it be a prudent move to give him a bit of time to come up with some design ideas that could perhaps also be put to the vote. I know it delays things, but as we have all waited for so long for this figure (assuming no late finishers steal the show) it would be nice to get it right.
As to the ideas of varying releases I also think that is a good way ahead to have a mix of singles and vignettes etc. not least to spare the wallet from too much damage.
Looking forward to Boromir - an excellent choice!
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Post by bombadil1963 on Aug 24, 2005 21:21:40 GMT
I, for one, care less for ... them!
For this time - and for me - it´s Beorn crushing Bolg. Hoping for support!
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Post by Bond...SBond on Aug 25, 2005 0:54:06 GMT
Wow...so many choices. Too bad about Luthien/Beren.  Pity really. Hopefully the license can be had for the Silmarillion then.  But on to more important things...voting!! Wow...a Sauron vignette with Elendil and Isildur would be awesome. I'm sure that'll be the predominate choice. However, just in case, I opted to vote for one of the pinnacle moments in all the LotR...the impending destruction of the Ring!!!  So, with visions of Gollum capering percariously at the very lip to the Chasm, Sam kneeling down to an overthrown Frodo on the ground, I'll cast my vote in that direction. The great thing is, it's all good to me. ;D |
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Post by Mornedhel on Aug 25, 2005 5:29:20 GMT
VOTING RESTARTS TODAY August 24th until September 7th. Due to the problems with the Luthien votes , we waited until Chris returned from holidays today and checked with Tolkien Enterprises rules. Luthien cannot be made as she and Beren are not really part of the LOTR but only referred to. They are truly Silmarillion. Good morning What a pity Beren and Luthien were removed  . How do you deal with the whole Turin series? So I vote Sauron as Annatar. thijl |
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 25, 2005 8:55:42 GMT
VOTING RESTARTS TODAY August 24th until September 7th. Due to the problems with the Luthien votes , we waited until Chris returned from holidays today and checked with Tolkien Enterprises rules. Luthien cannot be made as she and Beren are not really part of the LOTR but only referred to. They are truly Silmarillion. Good morning What a pity Beren and Luthien were removed . How do you deal with the whole Turin series? So I vote Sauron as Annatar. thijl Tolkien Enterprises do not hold the license for the Silmarillion. Chris Tolkien and family do. They guard it very dearly. Especially since the movies came out and there was serious money involved, contracts became watertight and very specific. We must respect the Tolkien Family's rights to the Silmarillion and its characters. |
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Post by khador on Aug 25, 2005 13:35:04 GMT
What a pity for characters of Silmarillion (for those days but for an other Age... we can keep hope  ) About this, "Sauron as Annatar" is a character of Silmarillion. How is possible to produce him and not Beren & Luthien (a new devilry of Morgoth ?) I also think Chris must take [glow=red,2,300]needed time [/glow]to design THE Lord of the rings as He must be done Jeremy |
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Post by barliman on Aug 25, 2005 16:45:56 GMT
Well, I've voted for Halbarad on his tod sloane again, as being - in my view - the best of the rest that have any chance of achieving a respectable "score". I'd recommend all Halbarad fans to vote for the same choice rather than squander their votes on either of the other two options.
But I suspect it's all a bit academic: looks like we're heading for a Sauron landslide regardless of what anyone else votes for. Personally I'm with Chris Tubb on this subject, and will be disappointed if (when...) this vignette wins: Sauron should be left to the imagination of LOTR readers.
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Post by Ori on Aug 25, 2005 16:54:16 GMT
I agree with Barliman and Chris
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Post by khador on Aug 25, 2005 17:24:01 GMT
Sauron should be left to the imagination of LOTR readers. The first interest of Mithril figures is to design one (not the only one) version of scene and characters of LOTR and Hobbit. Sauron is one of these as Aragorn, Cirdan, Gil-galad, Turin, Gandalf... and all others. If this vignette win the vote, representation of Sauron will be one of many others He wears during all the story of Ea |
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Post by Ori on Aug 25, 2005 17:41:52 GMT
You might be right.
I was one of those that did not want to have a LOTR movie, as I just wanted to keep my idea of all characters. Now, when you think of someone from LOTR, it comes to your mind the actor from the movie (And sometimes a Mithril mini, but only if it was well painted, wich is not my case)
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Post by Celebnaur on Aug 25, 2005 18:40:19 GMT
ok. so now it looks like we will have sauron, elendil and isildur fighting at the sloops of mount doom. it has my support.
but if you will really do this vignette - what about gil-galad. he is totally missing in this suggested scenario and should be part of the vignette - otherwhise it would not be complete.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 26, 2005 0:04:05 GMT
well the main idea I suggested at first was the shattering of Narsil from Elendil, by the hand of Sauron or the cutting of Sauron finger with the shard of Narsil by Isildur, as a vignette I imagined clearly Elendil dead on the floor with just Isildur above him getting the shard of Narsil and threating Sauron coming after him (for the Elendil and Isildur models, they already exist in the "Last Alliance" series, so there should be no problem keeping the same design)... But if my memory is correct, Gil-Galad was already dead at that time... Indeed Peter Jackson focalised on this scene and even made paintings in the halls of Rivendell for this scene, but the fact is... it is a pity that so many people only see THIS SCENE (and not Sauron only I insist) the way Peter Jackson made it, as it is, according to me, "THE event" that made the Lord of the Rings saga possibile... All these years I have loved Mithril, and loved these figurines even more after the movies because it could add another point of view of the characters. As for myself I prefer by far mithril figurines to the actors of the movie or their replica in miniatures by another firm I will not mention (no free ad for a brand I don't like at all ) As for imagination... the idea is not to blame I think. John Howe, Ted Nasmith, or Allan Lee made tons of pictures with people from Silm, UT, and other writings, including characters never described in the books and many people enjoy their work. (NB : in the new illustrated version of the Silmarillion, Ted Nasmith even made a picture of Sauron (very very small and blurry of course ) forging the One Ring at the cracks of Mount Doom) |
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Post by awirta on Aug 27, 2005 18:57:08 GMT
I received Eotheod but not Aragorn with Palantir. Thanks Al
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Post by ddseuferer on Aug 30, 2005 20:10:48 GMT
I freely admit that I'm going by memory, but wasn't Sauron "killed" by Gil-Galad and Elendil and in the process they were also killed. Then Isildur picked up Narsil and cut the ring from Sauron's hand. As I said I'm going by memory here, so if i'm wrong I'm sure someone will tell me. If this is the case, I think Gil-Galad should also be in the scene will Elendil and Isildur. Just my thoughts.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 31, 2005 10:10:54 GMT
After reading the book again I must confess You are entirely right . here is the quote from the LOTR :
(Elrond speaking at the Council) "I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father's sword, and took it for his own."
Thus the fighting is between Sauron against Elendil and Gil-Galad, all three of them "fall", Isildur only took the ring from sauron "dead corpse" which deprived too early Sauron for power enough to reincarnate (which is completly different from what is seen in the movie which is false... d**n movie...)
Maybe the scene could change just a bit and be "the final charge of Gil-Galad and Elendil against Sauron", not involving Isildur who came after to take the ring (I even clearly have an idea of how to represent it)
this version would be original and unique and I suppose the main idea of "sauron against elendil" in the vote would not be altered... what do you think about it?
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Post by ddaines on Aug 31, 2005 12:54:08 GMT
Why not twist it a bit further and have the slain bodies of Elendil and Gil-Galad (wasn't he consumed by fire though and presumably not a lot left to see!!) AND the 'slain' body of Sauron, with Isildur about to take a mighty swing to cut the ring off!
This choice of subject (Sauron vs Elendil) is snowballing, with members coming up with different ideas on the theme! I personally prefer the action suggestion along the line posted by Gildor (still include Isildur though), but a slain Sauron presents another thread and potential headache for a final 'right' choice.
David.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 31, 2005 14:21:46 GMT
I received Eotheod but not Aragorn with Palantir. Thanks Al Sorry about that. I will look into that, we may be waiting for more miniatures to be sent over by Chris. But this topic is not the place for such comments. Please e-mail me if you have a service related problem instead of posting it here. I have alerted dispatch department to look into the situation. |
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 31, 2005 18:57:32 GMT
Hi Folks!
Halbarad Dunadan is one of my favorite charakters, though he dies in Battle on the Pelennor fields...
so my vote was clear, but of course I also whould like to see Sauron sculpted.
Cheers to all fellow collectors, Harald
PS: The new Smaug looks feroucios, Wow! Great work!
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, we waited until Chris returned from holidays today and checked with Tolkien Enterprises rules. Luthien cannot be made as she and Beren are not really part of the LOTR but only referred to. They are truly Silmarillion. 
. I asked about Sauron and Chris will agree to make him in armour so I have added that option in. Also added some options overlooked last time (Shadowfax and also Merry rallying the Shire.)
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Pity really. Hopefully the license can be had for the Silmarillion then. 
But on to more important things...voting!! 
So, with visions of Gollum capering percariously at the very lip to the Chasm, Sam kneeling down to an overthrown Frodo on the ground, I'll cast my vote in that direction. The great thing is, it's all good to me. ;D
. How do you deal with the whole Turin series?
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