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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 15, 2009 13:38:10 GMT
There is no specific Half-orc leader in the upcoming Helm's deep series, so one made as an Ms figure might be an interesting complement to that range. My own view of the female orc (for what its worth) is that she be rather sleek and musclebound rather that a hag; somewhat like Saviga but a warrior through and through (a bit like Brucilla in Michael Kaluta's comic book series Starstruck!) by Chris Tubb.
This is a blind vote (as usual) and you will see the current status of the vote only AFTER you have submitted your vote. You only get one so please think carefully about what miniature you most want to see created by Mithril miniatures. This vote ends at 16.00 BST on May 21st.
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Post by Theobald on May 15, 2009 14:44:08 GMT
Thank you for your comment on the female orc, Chris. Referring to Saviga, being a half-orc, might avoid further discussion about whether there are female orcs or not. The one I was thinking of meets your idea as she is not thought of being a king's consort but rather, as you put it, sleek and musclebound and always prepared for a fight.
Well, everybody might guess my vote now.
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Post by aelfwine on May 15, 2009 15:13:05 GMT
I voted for Haldir
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Post by Shadyt on May 15, 2009 15:13:12 GMT
I decided for the Half-orc warband leader, although the female orc was a close second.
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Post by estel on May 15, 2009 15:59:38 GMT
Even if C.T. has arranged himself with something like a female Orc I personaly do not like the idea. I like it, that some things in Tolkiens world remain untouched; for example I understood, why C.T. so long did not want to design a vision of Sauron. How the orcs multiply themselves should be ever a secret as I think this is what Tolkien had in mind. Creating anything is NOT evil and Tolkien defined his world strongly in a setting of evil vs. good and Orcs are definitly assolutely part of the evil side.
Beside this: the new figures of the Helms Deep series are absolutely great. Very nice poses, the Rohir look like Militia and not like a standing army. GREAT!!
NAMARIE estel
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Post by Theobald on May 15, 2009 17:48:45 GMT
Well, Estel, First of all I don't think that Chris Tubb has "arranged himself" with that idea. Why should he have done? As for the "untouched world of Tolkien", as you seem to like it to be kept, I can well understand and accept. We all have images in our minds about characters, landscapes, etc. of Tolkien's work. So have I. With my suggestion of a female orc I just tried to enter a new idea for a figure. Did Tolkien describe or mention the "Lossoth hunter" or "Frumgar"? What I mean is you can suggest a figure and you can vote for a figure. That's all there is. The FELLOWSHIP will decide. No harm intended at all
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Post by ungoliant on May 16, 2009 3:44:02 GMT
We would all like to see our favorite characters made into miniatures. I just find it difficult working strictly from within the confines of The Hobbit and LoTR. Sure, the list of characters is long, but, as most of the characters are inappreciable, we tend to see repeats of the more popular characters (in different poses of course). Now I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it does get a little old after a while. Personally, I enjoy seeing bold ideas and different opinions thrown into the forum. Even if they get shot down, it gets the creative thought juices flowing! Keep the faith! Oh, I feel so warm and fuzzy now...I think I'll puke! Grrrrr! According to Tolkien nothing is born evil. Even orcs are not evil in the beginning. They must be taught to be that way and apparently have very little choice in the matter. The question is how are they all converted to evil so quickly? And let's not confuse evil with cruel, criminal, or brutal behavior. These are easily learned traits that are inherent to all cultures and do not constitute true evil. Oh, here's a thought: Since all societies have individuals that engage in deviant behavior, there must certainly have been good orcs too! There's an idea for next month! Yeah, right!
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Post by ddaines on May 16, 2009 10:26:13 GMT
The only good orc is a dead orc
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Post by basile on May 16, 2009 15:02:33 GMT
This tragic historic citation here is a comic citation! ;D
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Post by ungoliant on May 17, 2009 2:37:37 GMT
The only good orc is a dead orc Now, now, General Ursus, if not for goblins and trolls, we wouldn't have much of a story right? And of all the races in Middle-Earth, Tolkien's orcs are truly the most human of all. Yeah, that's right! Let's see, they're a violent race, selfish, ruthless, cruel, and unreliable. They overrun, overpopulate (still don't know exactly how they do that) and drain the land of all its resources in preparation for war. Tolkien even writes that they have a distinct fascination with gears and gadgets and things pertaining to weapons of mass destruction. Sound familiar? Sure, they're just like Al-Qaeda, and they don't smell very nice either, but how boring Middle-Earth would be without goblins! Plus, they make for an awesome army! You gotta love 'em!
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Post by hsf62 on May 17, 2009 9:03:38 GMT
First you need some orcs produced, then you are free to decide if you like them dead or alive! Female orc! Lets start the production.....
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Post by Gildor on May 17, 2009 10:35:29 GMT
some stats here : 62 orcs references produced, all series taken together. (including the warband and the unreleased half-orcs) that thus make more than 100 different orcs of any kind in the whold mithril production 92 elves references (real number since no warbands) 31 dwarves references (with unreleased warband) makes maybe 55 all in all 42 hobbits references 266 Human (of all kinds, gender, sizes) references, including the gondor warbands...which makes more than 300 humans... with more than 120 among this number who are repetitive or mere common "infantry"... (I do not mention numbers for less important races that are not significative in numbers) If these numbers can help take decisions or "remember" what has been produces the most in all these years As for myself. My position about a female orc remains the same and is double : we cannot say it is canon or not canon. They most logically exist but since they are not mentionned we will never know... (which is not the same with lossoth and Frumgar who are known to exist clearly and are canon... The other point is that well, I have always seen the fellowship as opportunities to see "above-others- figures" of the tolkien world release. And I can't remove this concept from my mind. The fellowship long existed before the GOLD Fellowship did and if you look at what was produced by that time you'll always see personnalities within a vignette or single... Making them "special promotional" instead of "uncommon rarity figurine" But I am IN and for the freedom of suggestion and voting so I encourage people into voting and suggesting. i just explain why my suggestions AND votes will only and ever go to "special" personnalities choices (mines or others) Good Voting everybody
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Post by Axel on May 17, 2009 12:38:37 GMT
> 62 orcs >92 elves >31 dwarves >42 hobbits >266 Human
As you might see, dwarves are dangerously underrepresented. Go for Bombur!!!
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Post by aelfwine on May 17, 2009 13:49:21 GMT
Uhm, I do believe that the good professor has told us how Orcs reproduce, and its...the same way humans do.
Now that in itself has a lot of ambiguity - are the orcs some nasty brutish warrior culture which treats its womens are breeding chattel? Or are they more "heroic" with a masculine warrior culture presenting its face to the world, but with a complex feminine social culture enriching its domestic life (sort of like the Germanic tribes). Do some female orcs rise to prominence as keepers of memory and ritual?
We don't know. It's fun to speculate.
How-and-ever, since Professor Tolkien decided towards the end of his life that the Orcs were, in fact, corrupted men (rather than elves) my own interpretation is that the orcs represent the dark side of the saga age. The sagas are about powerful, heroic men doing battle for honour and renown and vengeance and (occassionally) love. They were all heroes in a way the poets and listeners of the dark ages would understand. But few were heroes in a way we would understand. Aragorn, Boromir, Turin, Beren...they all echo those saga heroes, the ones we can point to and admire their heroics. But most of those saga heroes are violent "barbarians." They are raiders and pirates, mercenaries and murderers. They prosecute feuds for insults long forgotten. They brag of petty treacheries. They dismiss the lots of thralls and slaves. They fight for the glory of fighting and the lust for battle. They are, by our standards, evil, violent thugs.
The orcs, to me, are an acknowledgement of the dark side of the great Germanic sagas. So I suspect that it would be fitting to describe Orc culture as being like Viking culture at its most thuggish and most brutish.
(Also its "orcs" not "orcs" and "goblins" - goblin is the Hobbitish word for orcs. The cleavage between the two is a Dungeons and Dragons invention)
Gavin
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Post by ungoliant on May 18, 2009 5:49:33 GMT
The orcs, to me, are an acknowledgement of the dark side of the great Germanic sagas. So I suspect that it would be fitting to describe Orc culture as being like Viking culture at its most thuggish and most brutish. (Also its "orcs" not "orcs" and "goblins" - goblin is the Hobbitish word for orcs. The cleavage between the two is a Dungeons and Dragons invention) Great Germanic sagas huh? I knew there was something about the Orcs that I liked! Coincidentally, a friend of mine in Germany was telling me how much she enjoyed the LoTR movies. Naturally, her favorite characters were the tall Scandinavian Elves with long blond hair. I told her I preferred the Uruk-Hai and the Lord of the Nazgul character. “Oh, but the Orks were so stupid!”, she said. Okay, they were certainly a bunch of uneducated and misguided brutes, but hardly stupid. They also made entertaining bad guys and, thankfully, no two looked alike. Unlike the Elves, who looked like they were formed from a cookie cutter. So perfect, so pretty, magnificently disciplined, they entered the picture like a company of crack SS troops! Oh, with the possible exception of that one fat-faced Elf that caught an Orc blade in the back of his head. I couldn’t believe all the women in the theatre gasped when he went down. Perhaps if he hadn’t been so busy twirling about on his toes, like the true ballerina that he was, he would have seen it coming. Glad he didn’t! I said Goblins and Trolls. Anyway, I prefer “Goblin“. It’s a much older and more recognized word. You can find it in the dictionary, along with “Hobgoblin”, while “Orc” is strictly a Tolkien adaptation. Plus, the term Goblin is more polite. For example: One of my coworkers is actually a Hobgoblin. He’s quite intelligent and a decent leader to boot. I enjoy watching him fume and stomp his feet! And man can he eat! Unfortunately, he tends to micromanage, and get on everyone’s nerves, but did I mention his tremendous appetite? Whoa! Anyway, we tease him about it, saying things like, “Hey, Hobgoblin just ate three chickens for lunch again! Hey Hobs, you gonna spit out the bones this time?” He laughs and makes a face at us. If, however, I were to call him an Orc, the first thing he would ask is, “What the hell is that?” Then, I’m sure after explaining it to him, he would be offended. And the last thing I want is an angry Hobgoblin on my heels with chicken grease on his fingers! One more thing: Vote for the brother man Sunland Warlord! Or was it Sunland Chieftain? Shaka-Zulu? Okay...let's vote Orc! ;D
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Post by estel on May 19, 2009 5:19:50 GMT
Vote for a named character not realized yet by Mithril:
[glow=red,2,300]HALDIR, guardian of Lorien[/glow]!
(I hope promoting is allowed)
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Post by estel on May 21, 2009 9:28:23 GMT
seems, that Haldir needs some votes.
[glow=red,2,300]Come on guys, vote for Haldir![/glow]
If Haldir will not win, well there is some kind of Orcish thing to vote for, if it comes for me to vote in the second round....... ;D
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Post by bombadil1963 on May 21, 2009 18:59:35 GMT
Dwarfs and Hobbits are too few. So, please, give your vote for those small ones. I would love too see Bombur, Narvi and - as well - Sam with his campfire.
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