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Post by Michael O'Brien on May 28, 2009 15:45:32 GMT
Welcome to another exciting chance to add your ideas and dreams to Mithril's LOTR miniatures. Post your suggestions here. ONE per member. This is a single figure month, NO Mounted options will apply. Examples of past single figures include the King of the Dead and the Lossoth hunter. Due to the increased workload on Chris, he has asked that we accept only single figure suggestions until he has caught up with releases. I know it will disappoint some members but what is the point in winning the vote if the figures never get made and Chris is trying to work on general releases as well. The only other restriction is that the figures MUST conform to our license, so NO Silmarillion based characters are allowed. They have to be in the Hobbit or LOTR books. The final say is ours and no arguement will be allowed. Ask if you are worried about its eligiability. Please submit ideas in the following format ONLY: IDEA TITLE "this is why I think 'Idea Title' is a good idea for this month..." Make the title stand out (within reason) and separate from any supportive text by a paragragh. This will prevent Chris accidently overlooking it when he compiles the voting list later on. Otherwise it could be mistaken as a comment not a new suggestion. Please add some quotes about where it is mentioned or give descriptions to promote your suggestion. Even add a picture or submit it to me to add to the gallery page. If you drum up support NOW, the you have a much better chance when it is time to vote. Voting will begin on the 17th of June (first round). We stop taking suggestions at 16.00 GMT on the 16th. You may add comments about other members suggestions as well. If you post any suggestions elsewhere it may not be seen or credited. Please post any suggestions in English. (That is all I can respond in, sorry). If you have any questions then post in the other thread provided for such questions. GO TO GALLERY PAGE: www.mithril.ie/Fellowship/gallery.html
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Post by Gildor on May 28, 2009 16:53:42 GMT
I keep true to my word in public threads:
[glow=red,2,300]"NO SUGGESTION"[/glow]
[shadow=red,left,300](and No Vote)[/shadow]
I encourage people to do the same...but force nobody this is democracy...
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Post by Theobald on May 28, 2009 17:42:42 GMT
So do I, Gildor.
No suggestion
No vote
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Post by jdbrown55 on May 28, 2009 18:00:53 GMT
I will too!
No suggestion for me.
No vote either.
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Post by basile on May 28, 2009 18:28:48 GMT
I shall do the same.
No suggestion
No vote
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Post by erchamion on May 28, 2009 19:58:45 GMT
Another voice says:
"No suggestion"
"No vote"
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Post by protozeus on May 28, 2009 20:54:11 GMT
No suggestion. No vote.
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Post by twrich on May 28, 2009 21:11:06 GMT
I will hold off on a suggestion for now. I agree that the new prices for the Rohan series are prohibitive.
I want to know how this affects the FG before I decide my position.
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Post by lomendamar on May 28, 2009 22:09:06 GMT
all my support master Gildor No suggestion No vote
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Post by hsf62 on May 29, 2009 2:15:11 GMT
No suggestion No vote If the theorie of Lars works then a loss of 1 GF figure will be easily payed for through the sales of the new release. I doubt it!
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Post by Axel on May 29, 2009 10:48:44 GMT
Well, after considering it for a day, I don`t think that a boycot of the GF will help.
Mithril DOES have an awareness-problem, as in "no awareness they do exist" with many Tolkien collectors. This leads to lower sale-volumes and thus to higher prices, which will just make people less eager to buy. Not good.
If stopping the GF for a month or two would help here, I would gladly follow. I bought my first Mithrils when the first range hit the shelfs, so I certainly do not want them to go out of business. But I fail to see how this can help. The GF produces many characters that COULD be used to promote the cause for Mithril, and I hope that the comparatively higher prices paid for GF minis help the company a bit.
Thus said, I suggest:
Bombur
in any suitable form that Chris decides to give him (young and rank, travelling, battle of five armies, old and obese, working out a marketing strategy, whatever...)
I also propose to make Fellowship releases available for all buyers after a "club-only" time of 3 month (or six, but not more) I also suggest that Mithil regularly informs websites with minature-news like TMP or CMON on new releases, even for now open Fellowship miniatures. I know that they already do so, but I also see many releases that get no coverage.
For those supporting the "no suggestion, no vote"... I understand your motivation, but imho this will hurt us more then it helps. I accept if you have to "smite" me for it.
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Post by Gildor on May 29, 2009 12:02:56 GMT
i'm ok with that Axel... though I find it hard that anything could hurt us more than what is currently done... except putting an end to Mithril existence... as I said, I am ready to loose the fellowship if that can help Mithril survive. But maybe if Mithril and Lars were more communicative on how things are handled at Mithril, what are the main problems (production vs. sales numbers, marketing unavailability, production numbers for regulars as opposed to MS, MS production politics, MX production politics...) Indeed, these are accounting financial stuff and I can understand they don't have to share this with us... but if we were aware of the true nature or reason of the deficit, we could help proposing solutions instead of simply face the consequences of deficit... without detailed reasons...
But you may be right on one point.... after a period of time, maybe MS figurines could become public and sold at least on ebay to anybody wanting to buy them... (if there are remaining stocks)
That being said, on other circumstances I would have voted for your Bombur, but I'll remain firm this month... I won't vote....
Now that a suggestion has been posted, and maybe others will follow .... that's ok.... but I would really be upset if there was no answer or decision taken by Mithril... except... on June 16th, list the suggestion (even if a single one) and act as if all of our posts of demonstration had never existed....
I am still waiting (as others are) more details from Lars Edman and a possible Debate with the "core alpha buyers..." to try to help each other and find solutions together if need be...
It's maybe time for Mithril to accept us not as simply passive customers but potential actors in Mithril promotion.... Supporting Mithril only by buying won't last eternally if price keep increasing... There are other ways to help Mithril survival... and the quite large amount of work to build out of nothing my website, pay annual fee and advertising for the domain name, regularly think of new additions and possibilities... was the main goal of my project, promote Mithril... I have spent money that I did not ask anybody for, for this... in addition to what I buy... I have asked to Michael to ask if a partnership and OFFICIAL advertising could be possible to increase promotion even more... But I have not been answered... All of this taken into account, upsets me personnally because I think - maybe out of pride ok - I have done A LOT for Mithril... And I know there are people around here (Chris Tubb himself, as a person, being one of them) who are thankful and happy with the result... and that was enough for me to feel happy...
All I ask now.... is a possibility for all of us, serious collectors, alpha buyers, core GF members, call it whatever you want, to sit down around a "virtual table" with Mithril staff and look for solutions together.... for mithril survival... Do you think this is possible... mister Edman?
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Post by cfisher on May 29, 2009 12:43:01 GMT
I will be voting and perhaps suggesting this month. I am too new a member to see the club destroyed, nothing that I have voted for has even been made yet!
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Post by garrett on May 29, 2009 12:48:12 GMT
I agree with cfisher, I only joined last month. If the club ends now I am out 20 Euro, I have not even made one suggestion yet. I will be voting this month.
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Post by Gildor on May 29, 2009 13:00:19 GMT
perfectly understandable cfisher and garrett I understand your point of view indeed that would be normal for you to suggest and vote in your situation... now do you understand our point of view, us who supported, and paid for three years of fellowship, sometimes 60€ for a reference and have always accepted it without complain because we all thought it was "good" for Mithril and fair?
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Post by Bond...SBond on May 29, 2009 17:36:56 GMT
Although I shudder to think what the MS prices will be (although they may not change, seeing as they are already priced on a exclusiveness standpoint), I will offer the suggest I made last month... Castamir the Usurper[/size][/color] ;D I remember when Mithril was in its duldrums last time. Hopefully this is a phase...I've collected Mithril since 1994 or so. Hope to see it last. On the one hand, I'm all the more excited to purchase Mithril since the Euro is getting close the dollar (I dropped out of Gold Fellowship when I had to pay at least twice what my Euro brothers had to pay). And shipping is still scary with at least 20 Euros for shipping of bulk orders. I rejoiced when Mithril could remove the VAT tax. Can I buy 12 boxes of Gondor warbands and 8 boxes of Mordor warbands at a time like in the past? Nope. Come and gone, those days. Got a family now, so that's where most of money goes now. I'm fortunate my wife grants me an allowance
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Post by Turambar on May 30, 2009 10:48:05 GMT
interesting how things move and change. It seems that it is always and everywhere the same . . . Dissipainting chances !
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Post by hsf62 on May 30, 2009 13:49:37 GMT
We will find out what tuesday will bring!
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Post by Gildor on May 30, 2009 22:00:30 GMT
Well I'll wait for tuesday too to see if I keep up with this boycot or not...
the boycot may not be the good solution for Mithril... but I wonder if our requests and upset would have been heard if no action had been taken. And what other actions would be possible in such a short term... None I think of...
Don't be mistaken with me... I'm the first to want Mithril be up, well and healthy and have great quality GF figurines and everything... but I still think that a discussion and a change of sales politics / marketing is in order for Mithril to not only survive but get back in the market healthily...
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Post by Axel on May 31, 2009 20:39:49 GMT
Gildor, I am sure none of the old hands like me doubt your intention, ie. a sound economical survival for Mithril to thrive upon.
Perhaps we need some more ideas to promote Mithril. I direkt link from your database upon the shop (with some provision, like the amazon program) would help. I do have half a dozen less used websites that could do with a link to a Mithril gallery, too. Actually I think a GOOD gallery, showing all that Mithril has done in the past with blank and painted examples and well sorted, with good links to existing buyable Mithrils could help. Well painted Minis in CMON could be added (painters agreement presupposed). I doubt that Mithril can do that on their own, though, and whoever does the job should have something in return (if only Mithrils economical survival). As much as I would like to do it, I lack the time due to job, family and other projects.
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Post by Theobald on May 31, 2009 21:05:57 GMT
Very nice to hear (read) from you again, Axel ... keep on, please. In case that you need some help, just let me know, please
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Post by Bond...SBond on Jun 1, 2009 11:46:31 GMT
I do believe that the use of the GF forum was the most effective way to bring concerns to Mithril's attentions. I wonder how much revenue Mithril makes from the MS lines versus the other lines.
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Post by Gildor on Jun 1, 2009 19:51:43 GMT
I have ideas, I have propositions... I just need Mithril to hear and take them into consideration I'll open a topic I suppose... But I am not sure I will be heard I have pics to publish too, but I'd need people to help me out with them... and have these sent to me in the proper format and size... but there are other Ideas I could suggest...
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Post by twrich on Jun 2, 2009 7:45:58 GMT
Gildor, I will support any constructive marketing idea for Mithril that you have, they need it.
After much thought I have decided that I am going to make a suggestion. He has been brought up many times before.
[glow=red,2,300]Arvedui, the Last King of Arthedain[/glow]
I picture him covered over the shoulders and back in a thick mantle, with a crown, holding the Palantir of Annuminas in his hands.
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Post by Gildor on Jun 2, 2009 8:58:19 GMT
lol I had suggested him last month if i remember correctly though I would have suggested a mantle (or thick cloack) over regal clothes (doublet/trousers) rather than a robe but that's your suggestion this time
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Post by basile on Jun 2, 2009 14:46:06 GMT
Arvedui, last king of Arthedain.Yes, I think this is a good idea, Arvedui with a crown on his head and the palantir of Annuminas in his hand; I see too Arvedui with a beard on his face like Argeleb II for example, this would be a good miniature.
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Post by Gildor on Jun 2, 2009 15:47:58 GMT
If I remember correctly, Palantiri must be aligned to be useable, with a special pedestal device upon which they rest... like in Orthanc. Though indeed it wouldbe possible for the king of Arnor to have a palantir in his hand, if I remember well, the stone of Anuminas was a big one, bigger than those in the south maybe like a soccer balloon... and that would be clumsy to simply have it on someone's palm...
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Post by twrich on Jun 2, 2009 16:40:26 GMT
Yes Gildor, they must be aligned to be used, and after thinking about it, I'm going to edit "our" suggestion to be a thick mantle. For me, it would be the scene where he is trying to escape from the minions of Angmar through the frozen northwest where the Lossoth roam, and so carrying this palantir with him.
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Post by estel on Jun 3, 2009 13:00:37 GMT
My suggestion for this month.
[glow=red,2,300]HALDIR, GUARDIAN OF LORIEN[/glow]
I think we need an elf as a GF figure beside all those Trolls, men and kings and so on.
Haldir should be an elf with a cloak, sword and a bow, but please not a shooting pose, more a guardian look (I think C.T. is knowing what I mean).
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Post by barliman on Jun 5, 2009 15:54:28 GMT
Well. I've suggested him several times before, but I shall suggest him again:
BOMBUR IN BATTLE-ARRAY AT THE BATTLE OF FIVE ARMIES
There is no Mithril Bombur at all as yet, and I rather like the idea of seeing a fat Dwarf in armour!
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