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Post by Michael O'Brien on Jun 2, 2010 9:17:27 GMT
Welcome to another exciting chance to add your ideas and dreams to Mithril's LOTR miniatures. Post your suggestions here. ONE per member. This month's ideas is for single and Double (Mounted) figures only, so no Vignettes (more than 2 people or a lot of furniture + two people) please. A mounted figure counts as two figures (horse/camel/warg/etc) The only other restriction is that the figures MUST conform to our license, so NO Silmarillion based characters are allowed. They have to be in the Hobbit or LOTR books. The final say is ours and no arguement will be allowed. Ask if you are worried about its eligiability. Please submit ideas in the following format ONLY: IDEA TITLE "this is why I think 'Idea Title' is a good idea for this month..." Make the title stand out (within reason) and separate from any supportive text by a paragragh. This will prevent Chris accidently overlooking it when he compiles the voting list later on. Otherwise it could be mistaken as a comment not a new suggestion. Please add some quotes about where it is mentioned or give descriptions to promote your suggestion. Even add a picture or submit it to me to add to the gallery page. If you drum up support NOW, the you have a much better chance when it is time to vote. Voting will begin on the 16th of June (first round). We stop taking suggestions at 16.00 GMT on the 15th. You may add comments about other members suggestions as well. If you post any suggestions elsewhere it may not be seen or credited. Please post any suggestions in English. (That is all I can respond in, sorry). If you have any questions then post in the other thread provided for such questions. GO TO GALLERY PAGE: www.mithril.ie/Fellowship/gallery.html
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Post by Milo on Jun 2, 2010 11:26:47 GMT
Then I will start.
IDEA TITLE: "Gollum biting off Frodo's ring finger"
Concerning positions, I prefer to let Chris choose the best way to make this fight alive.
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Post by Shadyt on Jun 2, 2010 12:53:04 GMT
White Hand Wolfrider This scout of Isengard is mounted on a Giant Wolf and has a small round shield with the white hand emblem.
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Post by Halbarad II. on Jun 2, 2010 15:40:46 GMT
My June suggestion will be a remake/ battle version of an awesome mithril figure: M93 mithril.faerylands.eu/display.php?reference=M93ZALG the Goblin-King of Gundabad fighting an Arnorian Nobleman /leader of an Army)I imagine a fighting scene like Beorn and Bolg (MS455), but only two figures NO slain or dying bodies on the base Zalg can be victorious, standing over the dead body of his combatant shaking his weapon, or holding the latter at the throat, his body lifted in the air. or the combatant is still on his feet.... trying to defend himself... a few more breaths.... The figure which is fighting the Orc-king should be a higher man from a noble house in Rhudaur, Cardolan or Arthedain leading his army against the orc tribes from the north. ----------------------------------------------------------- from MERP module Mount Gundabad: Zalg, Ashdurbûk of the Thirty Tribes, Overlord of Gundabad, Lord of the North, and Tyrant of the Mountains, is the Goblin-king in T.A. 1640. Eldest surviving descendent of the Seed of Skorg, he has now reigned on the Throne of the North for over one hundred and fifty years, having seized power after the failure of the Witchking's last invasion of Arthedain. A powerful Uruk Warrior, Zalg is renowned as the most formidable Orcish fighter among all the mountain tribes. He has defeated even Trolls in single combat, and has thereby won the subservience of a number of these brutal monsters, who acknowledge no other Orcish authority. Zalg's fighting skills, however, are not the sole foundation of his power. He is a crafty and subtle ruler, who has mastered the intricate combination of diplomacy, double-dealing, and threats needed to hold the throne in Mount Gundabad. Also, he is well versed in the politics of the tributary Orcish tribes and of the Witch-king's capital, Cam Dûm. Zalg's policy is calculated to preserve his autonomy while giving the Witch-king, whom he knows to be far stronger than himself, all that the letter of their relationship requires. Zalg rules from his palace in the Great Spire of Mount Gundabad. Physically, he is a most imposing specimen of Orchood, 6'3" tall, extraordinarily well-muscled, with arms as thick as tree limbs and legs rather less bowed than the Orcish norm. Large, protruding red eyes and long yellowed fangs enhance Zalg's terrifying countenance. The regalia of rulership in Mount Gundabad are in Zalg's possession: the Ghrazîm Banner, the Ice Helm, and the scimitar Thrakurghash. Zalg goes to battle clad in black full plate armor, wielding his enchanted scimitar and his mighty longbow (it is said no other Orc can string it). __________________________________________
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Post by Gildor on Jun 2, 2010 19:48:07 GMT
I know I am being stupborn with my ideas... but well... adapted into a "double figurine" could we imagine :
"The crowning of Elessar" (by Gandalf)[/size]
(in this scene there is supposed to be Frodo too bringing the crown to Gandalf but well he can be overlooked in this double figurine scene : here is the text from the LOTR :
Then Frodo came forward and took the crown from Faramir and bore it to Gandalf; and Aragorn knelt, and Gandalf set the White Crown upon his head, and said: 'Now come the days of the King, and may they be blessed while the thrones of the Valar endure!' But when Aragorn arose all that beheld him gazed in silence, for it seemed to them that he was revealed to them now for the first time.
(description of the crown of Earnur, last king of Gondor : It was shaped like the helms of the Guards of the Citadel, save that it was loftier, and it was all white, and the wings at either side were wrought of pearl and silver in the likeness of the wings of a sea-bird, for it was the emblem of kings who came over the Sea; and seven gems of adamant were set in the circlet, and upon its summit was set a single jewel the light of which went up like a flame.
I hope it will have a better luck than the last times I submitted it....
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 3, 2010 1:00:24 GMT
Hello Wolf,
Great suggestion! It just so happens that I am working on my recently acquired M93 (thanks to the generous Axel), and, you're right, it is an awesome figure. Also, I didn't realize there was so much history behind the Schwarzenegger Orc. Thank you for the information. The hair on my neck salutes you!
Question 1: Do you know if Zalg's Ice Helm was made of Mithril?
Question 2: Have you thought of placing him on an animal of some kind?
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Post by ddaines on Jun 3, 2010 21:36:30 GMT
CELEBRIMBOR - SAURON'S BANNER Double figure suggestion - after the sack of The House of the Mirdain by Sauron and the capture [and subsequent putting to death] of Celebrimbor Sauron ........
"In black anger he turned back to battle; and bearing as a banner Celebrimbor's body hung upon a pole, shot through with orc arrows, he turned upon the forces of Elrond....."My idea (hopefully a sketch will appear in the gallery) is to have a troll holding a sturdy pole with a trident type blade, upon which the body of the recently departed Celebrimbor hangs. The arrows would not be a practical addition, and I suggest a troll as I'm guessing that apart from Sauron himself it would take a troll to lift the weight. I can only quote a passage from U.T., but as both characters have been passed previously I asume the idea would be ok. If not a Mordor troll with a corpse banner would do just as nicely. Apologies for those who don't like gore
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Post by Theobald on Jun 3, 2010 23:03:44 GMT
a wight with an orc bowing in front of him
... cold be hand and heart and bone ...
the wight's incantation to a bowing orc recalling the oath of the orcs
Death to light, to law to love! Cursed be moon and stars above! May darkness everlasting old that waits outside in surges cold drown Manwe, Varda and the sun! May all in hatred be begun, and all in evil ended be, in the morning of the endless Sea
he recalls the oath after the the triumph of the 'dark lord'
(The Lays of Beleriand , p. 230) or: The lay of Leithian
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 4, 2010 1:07:07 GMT
The emotional force behind the troll carrying a trident/standard with Celebrimbor's body hanging from it would be mega powerful! And the vision of the orc bowing before the wight must be a first! Very original ideas! I say "WOW!" to both!
Hey, 49 votes last time! Getting better!
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Post by twrich on Jun 4, 2010 3:47:03 GMT
I will again suggest [glow=red,2,300]Dunhere, Lord of Harrowdale mounted[/glow]
The nephew of Erkenbrand of Westfold, and a valiant captain of the Rohirrim in his own right. He was lord of the valley of Harrowdale in the White Mountains, and there he assembled the remaining strength of Rohan while the Battle of the Hornburg raged to the west. Some days beforehand, he had fought in the Second Battle of the Fords of Isen, and afterwards he rode with Théoden to the Battle of the Pelennor, where he met his end (Encyclopedia of Arda).
In the past he has been suggested both standing and mounted. But most seem to agree that mounted would be preferable. I see him in the traditional Rohirrim gear; as Lord he would wield a sword and shield, with helm and cape.
This figure would complement the Helm's Deep series.
I really like some of the other suggestions, good ideas!
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Post by Halbarad II. on Jun 4, 2010 8:01:07 GMT
Hi Grond
No, I dont think Zalg needs a steed. (it would be 3 figures too, the goblin, the steed and the combatant.) It is a huge, a bit smaller like troll figure and I think it would be a more powerful fellowship figure if he is just fighting a combatant with his drawn weapon.
There are more Information about Ice helm and his scimitar in the MERP module:
ICE HELM A high-peaked mithril helmet, bearing horns and studded with diamonds, the Ice Helm is the "crown" of Mount Gundabad and is worn by the Goblin-king on ceremonial occasions. Its surfaces have been darkened so as to accentuate the gems, and the helm appears to be a glossy greyish-black.
THRAKURGHASH Thrakurghash (B.S. "Bringer of Flame") is a gigantic scimitar, nearly 5' in length, forged of volcanic black laen. Its hilt is wrapped in red dragonskin, and the pommel is a mithril dragon's claw tipped with a ruby. The scimitar was created by the most renowned weaponsmiths of Mount Gundabad for the Ashdurbuk during the Second Age and enchanted by mages dispatched from Mordor. The scimitar always rests within reach of the Goblin-king.
Also there is a Banner mentioned:
GHRAZÎM BANNER Symbol of the unity of the Host of Gundabad, the Ghrazîm Banner is regarded by the Orcs of the citadel as their most sacred and precious possession. The Banner is a large, blood-red silk rectangle, with an emblem of the triple peaks of Mount Gundabad in black at its center, mounted on a massive steel staff which is capped by a Fell-beast skull. Ever since the Second Age, the Ghrazîm Banner has been carried to war by the Goblin-king's guard whenever the monarch takes the field in person. It has never fallen into enemy hands. Legend says the staff was brought from Angband by Skorg himself. Wherever the Ghrazîm Banner is borne, the ferocity and courage of the Orcs is enhanced. The Ghrazîm Banner accompanies the Ashdurbûk wherever he goes.
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Post by barliman on Jun 4, 2010 10:21:26 GMT
Although I may very well end up supporting Twrich's Dunhere suggestion, I shall also make one of my oft-repeated appeals for
ELFHELM, MARSHAL OF THE MARK
You should all know the rest of the sales pitch by now, I've repeated it often enough (fought in numerous battles of the War of the Ring era, survived them all, etc), but I should also add that, like Dunhere, he's a glaring omission from the current Mithril line-up.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Jun 4, 2010 11:25:12 GMT
CELEBRIMBOR - SAURON'S BANNER Double figure suggestion - after the sack of The House of the Mirdain by Sauron and the capture [and subsequent putting to death] of Celebrimbor Sauron ........
"In black anger he turned back to battle; and bearing as a banner Celebrimbor's body hung upon a pole, shot through with orc arrows, he turned upon the forces of Elrond....."My idea (hopefully a sketch will appear in the gallery) is to have a troll holding a sturdy pole with a trident type blade, upon which the body of the recently departed Celebrimbor hangs. The arrows would not be a practical addition, and I suggest a troll as I'm guessing that apart from Sauron himself it would take a troll to lift the weight. I can only quote a passage from U.T., but as both characters have been passed previously I asume the idea would be ok. If not a Mordor troll with a corpse banner would do just as nicely. Apologies for those who don't like gore Might be a bittoo gory for Tolkien Enterprise, but I will leave it to Chris to decide. I will add the pic you sent me to the gallery today.
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 5, 2010 2:38:57 GMT
Hi Grond No, I dont think Zalg needs a steed. (it would be 3 figures too, the goblin, the steed and the combatant.) It is a huge, a bit smaller like troll figure and I think it would be a more powerful fellowship figure if he is just fighting a combatant with his drawn weapon. Hi Wolf, Sorry, I missed the part about the combatant when I first read your description. Sounds good. And you're right about Zalg not needing a steed. Anyway, it would have to be a freakishly large wolf or maybe a great black ox with recessed eyes. A chariot would probably be more appropriate for an orc of his stature, and that wouldn't be accepted either. Thanks for all the additional information on Zalg. Interestat! I like this character more than ever!
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 5, 2010 3:30:29 GMT
CELEBRIMBOR - SAURON'S BANNER Apologies for those who don't like gore Might be a bittoo gory for Tolkien Enterprise, but I will leave it to Chris to decide. I will add the pic you sent me to the gallery today. The violent imagery stirred up in the description doesn't necessarily have to be conveyed in the miniature. If you notice in David's drawing, Celebrimbor is secured to the trident via rope. He is not impaled on it. And, instead of riddling him with arrows, he could just hang there slack-jawed and peaceful-like. Drawing: I like it. Good composition and the idea is clearly projected. While I don't find it overly violent or graphic in the least, I have a feeling the troll will eventually take a bite out of his sleeping beauty. Let us hope that Celebrimbor has passed on and does not awaken as the troll begins to consume his shish kebab! Well done David! ;D I hope they accept ddaines' suggestion, as this piece would definitely stand out among all the other Mithril Miniatures.
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Post by ddaines on Jun 5, 2010 13:37:33 GMT
Thanks Grond and well spotted re the rope tying Celebrimbor to the trident, and his corpse not actually being impaled - the idea being that the trident kind of supported the body under the arms (he is actually dead at this point, but I didn't include all of the text from the passage). I was also trying to steer clear of a certain image that might draw similarities. The arrows although described in the passage, would not from previous releases be practical I imagine, but were added for effect to show the scene as described. The idea is a bit of a 'punt' given the content, but I have had it in my mind for some time, so why not give it a go . As to the fate of his body, well who knows, Shish kebab for the trolls, curried for the orcs, carrion for the wolves and crows? The Gold Fellowship will decide (if it gets through) ;D
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 6, 2010 5:55:46 GMT
Yes, I also envisioned it for a brief moment. Fortunately, the Romans didn't have any trolls. You know, to further differentiate the two graven images, Celebrimbor could have his armor, but I imagine you depicted the elf stripped to demonstrate how much Sauron wished to humiliate his enemy. It works. Too bad there are no tiny, realistic arrows one can buy to create miniature casualties. ;D Tolkien never addressed how Sauron fed his massive armies. What could they possibly grow in Mordor? Obviously there were no farms to speak of, and game was probably scarce too. Devouring the enemy would certainly be preferable to cannibalism and definitely starvation. And trolls are not known for their picky palates but for their immense appetites. Orcs may try, but I say the troll eats him! Best of luck with your idea!
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Post by barliman on Jun 6, 2010 19:36:06 GMT
Actually.......when reporting Sam and Frodo's discussion regarding what Sauron's armies eat and drink ('The Land of Shadow', ROTK), JRRT does mention that neither Sam "nor Frodo knew anything of the great slave-worked fields away south in this wide realm, beyond the fumes of the Mountain by the dark sad waters of Lake Nurnen; nor of the great roads that ran away east and south to tributary lands, from which the soldiers of the Tower brought long waggon-trains of goods and booty and fresh slaves." Though he doesn't specifically mention that the 'goods' included food, I think we can take it as implicit. One wag once suggested that the 'fresh slaves' were actually food for the Orcs and Trolls, and who knows, he may not be so far from the truth!
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 7, 2010 1:02:15 GMT
Actually.......when reporting Sam and Frodo's discussion regarding what Sauron's armies eat and drink ('The Land of Shadow', ROTK), JRRT does mention that neither Sam "nor Frodo knew anything of the great slave-worked fields away south in this wide realm, beyond the fumes of the Mountain by the dark sad waters of Lake Nurnen; nor of the great roads that ran away east and south to tributary lands, from which the soldiers of the Tower brought long waggon-trains of goods and booty and fresh slaves." Though he doesn't specifically mention that the 'goods' included food, I think we can take it as implicit. One wag once suggested that the 'fresh slaves' were actually food for the Orcs and Trolls, and who knows, he may not be so far from the truth! Work 'em, beat 'em, then eat 'em! Just like stinkin' cattle! That's good knowledge.
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Post by Gerold on Jun 7, 2010 13:40:47 GMT
All those subjects are so serious I hesitate to make mine, but ok here it is, I want to add a softer subject in the line of the month before :
Rohir boy and girl
Just like I said before I would like to see the boy figure the same size as the Bergil figure (M196), but with longer hair, in the usual Rohir clothes, with a tunic onto his knees, no mail coat as it would be to heavy for a young boy anyway, a pot helm on his head, a quiver on his back (of course a little to big for him), and his fathers bow in his hands. He can be standing at rest, or firing, or putting an arrow on his bow (like the pose of the woodman bowman loading, M401). I would prefer the loading pose. The girl is his girlfriend he wants to impress with his bowshooting art. She should be slightly smaller as the boy – I don’t know what pose she can be given, maybe raising her arms because the boy made a good shot ?
Another attempt to get some kids in the Mithril range ; thanks in advance for supporting this idea !
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Post by Turambar on Jun 7, 2010 15:24:40 GMT
This is a really nice suggestion, gdemarsin.
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Post by Turambar on Jun 7, 2010 15:34:47 GMT
Well, there are already mounted rohirrim suggested. Also, I don´t know if I understand Michael the right way. He will correct me. I really like to point your interest on the following
Idea Title: mounted Rohirrim fighting against Haradrim foot soldier
That should mean, something like the MS 499 Arnorian Knight/Hillman King. I think it could be a nice contrast between the both types of warriors. Between north and south.
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 7, 2010 20:35:02 GMT
All those subjects are so serious I hesitate to make mine, but ok here it is, I want to add a softer subject in the line of the month before : Rohir boy and girl This is a nice idea! Never hesitate to suggest something different. Contrast is what makes it all interesting. Without variety the world would be a dull and monochromatic place.
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Post by ungoliant on Jun 8, 2010 5:16:45 GMT
Well, there are already mounted rohirrim suggested. Also, I don´t know if I understand Michael the right way. He will correct me. I really like to point your interest on the following Idea Title: mounted Rohirrim fighting against Haradrim foot soldier
That should mean, something like the MS 499 Arnorian Knight/Hillman King. I think it could be a nice contrast between the both types of warriors. Between north and south. Now you've got me thinking about the restrictions for this month. I thought we could either submit a mounted figure (ie. man on horse or orc on wolf), or two figures interacting. Wouldn't a mounted plus a figure on foot be considered three miniatures? I'm unclear on this too.
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Post by barliman on Jun 8, 2010 6:19:51 GMT
I'm sure you're right, Master Grond. Michael said at the outset that a rider and his mount counted as two figures, so an additional figure on foot definitely makes three. Shame. It would make a nice cameo. I assume that at some point (though it's been a long time since we had one) there will be a month for such mini-dioramas, and it could be suggested again then.
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Post by Thingol on Jun 8, 2010 8:04:23 GMT
Hirgon - Messenger of Gondor
Hirgon and another messenger were sent by Denethor, the Steward of Gondor, to seek the help of the Rohirrim in the coming battle against the forces of Sauron. They arrived at Dunharrow on March 9, 3019. Hirgon was tall and grey-eyed and he reminded Merry Brandybuck of Boromir. He wore a dark green cloak and a coat of mail and a helm with a small silver star. Very important person in whole story...
I see him mounted in gallop with cloak, sword, bow and shield on his back and with arrow in small sack or quiver.
It will be nice to see great heroes of Gondor...
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Post by estel on Jun 8, 2010 11:02:02 GMT
Hirgon - Messenger of Gondor Hirgon and another messenger were sent by Denethor, the Steward of Gondor, to seek the help of the Rohirrim in the coming battle against the forces of Sauron. They arrived at Dunharrow on March 9, 3019. Hirgon was tall and grey-eyed and he reminded Merry Brandybuck of Boromir. He wore a dark green cloak and a coat of mail and a helm with a small silver star. Very important person in whole story... I see him mounted in gallop with cloak, sword, bow and shield on his back and with arrow in small sack or quiver. It will be nice to see great heroes of Gondor... Hey!! that's mine mithrilfigures.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=archive2008&action=display&thread=544
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Post by Thingol on Jun 8, 2010 12:33:59 GMT
.... I did not know for this. Master Estel... in this time I was not on this forum... so we would see what happens now with this... your past suggestion of this figure... "kneeling before Theoden holding the red arrow in his hand has also been excellent... ;D
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Post by estel on Jun 8, 2010 20:10:45 GMT
Yes, Master Thingol, and be sure I like this suggestion. Heroes of Gondor.....
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Post by estel on Jun 8, 2010 20:21:21 GMT
A hard month to throw in a good fitting suggestion.
There are several brothers mentioned in the Lord of the Rings books not yet been cast in lead and I alos thought of another mounted "thing"... BUT: Last time we had a mounted character we got one of the good side, so I think it is time to get an evil character this time and it must be a special one. The evil side has more than just Orcs and Haradrim allies. For strategic reasons (maybe we can see some more of this race in future) and because there is not a mere single miniature of this large human race (except one Variag horseman and 2 Sagathic figures, which are non-canonical) like it was the case for the Hillmen, I will suggest:
[glow=black,2,300]KING OF THE EAST ON ROYAL HORSE[/glow] (EASTERLING)
The look should be a mix of the old Eothraim prince figure and the one and only released mannish Captain of Orthanc; an overconfident warrior king, richly honoured, with deep scars of many hard fought battles, wearing a highly decorated cloak. I would leave it totally to C.T., how the King should be armoured, if he is wearing body armour and so on. I am sure, he will have fun in thinking about a design like he did so well with the Hillman King.
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