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Post by Michael O'Brien on Nov 29, 2010 14:57:56 GMT
Due to illegal activity by certain voters (not Fellowship members) I am restarting this round. Also from now on I will check all voters and will BAN ANYONE who is NOT fellowship and I will find out how they learned the password too. I will not tolerate abuse of our GSF.
"As winter slowly freezes our fingers and toes this month in Ireland we see that the vote was a tie, with The Nameless thing and The Troll Champion beating the daylights out of each other, while the Ghost of the Dead Marshes and Thorin III are catching their breath and giving dirty looks in each others direction.
But who will be the winner of November 2010? ONLY YOU can decide.
Whatever idea wins will be a classic. Vote ends on the 9th. "
UPDATE: as of Dec 9th all votes are valid, no non-members have voted. Thats 56 at last count.
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Post by faramir60 on Nov 29, 2010 17:57:10 GMT
Again and again... Without a doubt... the Nameless Thing !!!!
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Post by bombadil1963 on Nov 29, 2010 18:05:28 GMT
Once again! The dwarf! He´s true. And honest. It´s obvious which suggestions were tried to support with some, let´s call them: "additional" votes.
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Post by Thingol on Nov 29, 2010 18:27:21 GMT
Dwarf.... Dwarf..... Go Thorin.. goooooooooooo and use your axe against all those things...
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Post by Gildor on Nov 29, 2010 19:03:42 GMT
and once again the nameless thing (but the dwarf will be cool too!)
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Post by fulvio on Nov 29, 2010 19:19:10 GMT
I vote for the alien thing, but i suspect that also the FIRST round of subject selection has been corrupted by counterfeited votes. Remember that one or two votes in first round are enought to allow a subject to go to the second one. Maybe Mr. O'Brien must check also the first round selection.
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tolwen
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Post by tolwen on Nov 29, 2010 20:35:05 GMT
The Dead Marshes definitely
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Post by Axel on Nov 29, 2010 20:38:48 GMT
Nothing is as steadfast as a dwarf. So there the vote goes, even when its bound to be swallowed up by nameless things...
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Post by ungoliant on Nov 30, 2010 2:30:37 GMT
Hmmm...fishy...very fishy. No matter. Down we go again, far, far, below Khazad-dum, into the darkness of the Black Pit. No spirit, no child of Aule, not even Sauron's muscle can stop it. I call upon that which grinds stone, devours the earth, and is beyond the most ancient memory! To the light! Rise up NAMELESS THING!
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Post by hsf62 on Nov 30, 2010 4:40:33 GMT
Vote number 27 Come on Master Thorin!
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Post by Milo on Nov 30, 2010 11:21:34 GMT
I keep supporting dead marshes.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Nov 30, 2010 14:28:38 GMT
I vote for the alien thing, but i suspect that also the FIRST round of subject selection has been corrupted by counterfeited votes. Remember that one or two votes in first round are enought to allow a subject to go to the second one. Maybe Mr. O'Brien must check also the first round selection. the 1st round is ok. Further one of the culprits said that the password was posted on a forum (not ours). I am trying to find out which. If the non-members do not reply soon to my messages I will ban them. I wish this to be the last resort in case they did not realise what they were doing.
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 1, 2010 3:17:54 GMT
DEMON DOGS! It's early yet, but I can see where this is going. Remember, this is but one possibility - The Nameless Thing.
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Post by twrich on Dec 1, 2010 5:41:54 GMT
I had to vote for Thorin III Stonehelm. I really also want a Nameless Thing . . . but not as bad. I think the sketch is great, and Chris has some ideas about a Nameless Thing too. But Thorin's helm would be awesome to see sculpted by Chris. Either way I'll be happy, and hope that the others are resubmitted in the months to come.
PS. Grond, there is a striking resemblance between your avatar and the sketch, LOL! ;-)
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Post by Wendy on Dec 1, 2010 15:44:08 GMT
Aye, I want to see the dragon helm.
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 2, 2010 5:33:14 GMT
I had to vote for Thorin III Stonehelm. I really also want a Nameless Thing . . . but not as bad. I think the sketch is great, and Chris has some ideas about a Nameless Thing too. But Thorin's helm would be awesome to see sculpted by Chris. Either way I'll be happy, and hope that the others are resubmitted in the months to come. PS. Grond, there is a striking resemblance between your avatar and the sketch, LOL! ;-) Little bearded men. What a shift in popularity! I mean what happened to all the supporters for the Troll Champion? Are they on holiday? I just hope we get at least 50 legitimate votes this time. You are very observant Tom. I actually built Grond a few years ago and have been meaning to build a diorama for it. When sketching the Nameless Thing, I used no reference material; however, you're right, there is a resemblance between the two. I noticed it almost immediately after posting the drawing. Not too happy about it either. Now, I know what you're thinking, and the answer is I look nothing like either one! I guess it's a face template that I subconsciously use for larger monsters. Anyway, the sketch was obviously a last ditch effort to stir up support. The Nameless Thing really would be something unique and exclusive for Mithril collectors. Honestly, one of the main reasons I joined was so that I could add MS435 & MS455 to my collection. They are likewise special. In my opinion, no one else makes anything that comes close.
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Post by estel on Dec 2, 2010 7:40:02 GMT
The Nameless Thing really would be something unique and exclusive for Mithril collectors. not for me....
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 3, 2010 1:20:30 GMT
The Nameless Thing really would be something unique and exclusive for Mithril collectors. not for me.... The man is a bulldog when it comes to holding a grudge. Veilen danke mein bruder!
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Post by Thingol on Dec 3, 2010 6:53:41 GMT
I do not understand why something with name "Nameless Thing" could be something unique and exclusive for Mithril collectors.... for me it is nonsense.... this is like a hope without dreams and non of us do not know like looks dream... because of we actually did not dream it all. This is for horror movies not for Tolkien world.... sorry Grond but there is to small distance between our 2 suggestions so I must write something for my candidate May the best dwarf win !
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Post by Wendy on Dec 3, 2010 15:18:29 GMT
The man is a bulldog when it comes to holding a grudge. Veilen danke mein bruder! Estel's comment was simply a short non caps statement of disagreement and the only such comment made since you first suggested the nameless thing. Given that you seem to prefer baddies and he doesn't as much, disagreement is bound to pop up but doesn't constitute a grudge. We all can agree or disagree and vote accordingly. A joking tone doesn't always come across in writing. Let's keep things nice around here. Back on topic, the nameless thing and how Chris would portray it is indeed an intriguing thought. That said, rather strange and scary-ish miniatures in general are popular so it might be help in putting Mithril back on the mini map. With that in mind it might be best done as a regular release like "Monsters of Middle Earth" or something like that. There are other nameless things in the Wilds and such as well.
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Post by bombadil1963 on Dec 3, 2010 20:00:47 GMT
Thou spoke well, Wendy! Good cannot be thought without evil and vice versa! But not everybody can be pushed to love the other side. Not by force nor persuasion . . .
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Post by twrich on Dec 3, 2010 21:16:55 GMT
Another good reason for us to "be nice" is that some members don't like the arguments, and it might make them less likely to participate in the discussion and voting.
But it goes both ways . . . some people feel insulted very easily, and take offense where none was intended, and then let those feelings continue on for a long time . . . . Please remember that this is a hobby, and meant to be fun.
We need to give each other the benefit of the doubt in our conversations, especially since English isn't the first language for many members. Afterall, we all want the same thing--a profitable Mithril where Chris continues to make figures for us.
So . . . back to the vote! It looks very close, will we make 50 votes? That would be progress :-)
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 4, 2010 0:03:48 GMT
The man is a bulldog when it comes to holding a grudge. Veilen danke mein bruder! Estel's comment was simply a short non caps statement of disagreement and the only such comment made since you first suggested the nameless thing. Given that you seem to prefer baddies and he doesn't as much, disagreement is bound to pop up but doesn't constitute a grudge. We all can agree or disagree and vote accordingly. A joking tone doesn't always come across in writing. Let's keep things nice around here. Back on topic, the nameless thing and how Chris would portray it is indeed an intriguing thought. That said, rather strange and scary-ish miniatures in general are popular so it might be help in putting Mithril back on the mini map. With that in mind it might be best done as a regular release like "Monsters of Middle Earth" or something like that. There are other nameless things in the Wilds and such as well. Like any forum, there are cliques, head butting and, unfortunately, politics. Some have fought others at every turn, perhaps due to a minor difference in opinion. I don’t mind, but I call it the way I see it. I meant no insult. I actually appreciate estel very much (I did thank him in his native language), but we, unfortunately, are not on the same side. We have many words for each other that are not allowed on this forum. He and I know that Wendy. Maybe later we can join forces against some common scourge, just as other members have done in the past, BUT NOT NOW. If a long-time member calls for a boycott, says we’re being ripped off, or implies that a suggestion is inappropriate, the old guard is silent. Maybe some chime in with agreement, but generally there is no opposition to speak of, unless Michael steps in to resolve and clarify. On the other hand, if someone who is relatively new, or who does not march to the same drum beat, steps out of line, there is condemnation. Anyone who thinks that this forum is comprised of one big happy family that is always on the same page about everything, is kidding themselves. This forum is a mini community of goodies and baddies, with a sprinkling of neutrals who haven’t decided what side to join yet. There are friendships, temporary allies, enemies, AND grudges, just like in the real world. Now, I already know that many are reading this and are saying, “Oh, who does this guy think he is? What nerve! What a jerk! What can I do to fix his wagon? I‘ll smite him! I‘ll not vote for his suggestion!” That wouldn’t be a grudge would it? It also explains why there are so few voices in this forum. Hope that wasn’t too harsh. Like I said, I call it the way I see it.
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 4, 2010 0:21:27 GMT
I do not understand why something with name "Nameless Thing" could be something unique and exclusive for Mithril collectors.... for me it is nonsense.... this is like a hope without dreams and non of us do not know like looks dream... because of we actually did not dream it all. This is for horror movies not for Tolkien world.... sorry Grond but there is to small distance between our 2 suggestions so I must write something for my candidate May the best dwarf win ! That's what I mean about good ol' Thingol! You always know where you stand with that fellow. No smoke!The Nameless thing would INDEED be exclusive and unique to Mithril collectors. Mithril already has many orcs, trolls, men, and DWARVES in different poses, doing this and that! The Nameless Thing would be a first time release for Mithril..the first of its kind anywhere Thingol. Even if other manufacturers make a Nameless Thing, Chris' vision would be like no other. Unless someone decides to buy several of them and sell them on eBay, the Nameless Thing would be exclusive to us! Maybe I'm wrong again. Can anyone buy these GSF figurines? Is that the proper classification for them? Help me out Gildor. This is your area of expertise.
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Post by bombadil1963 on Dec 4, 2010 17:40:35 GMT
I always imagined the nameless things gnwawing on the roots of Middle Earth as a kind of giant millipedes or something like a common woodlouse, perhaps a worm . . . Nothing I would like to have in my collection.
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Post by Thingol on Dec 4, 2010 19:48:50 GMT
Dear Grond maybe you are right about those words.... but I'm collector and I have all Chris's figures except few rare Christmas ones... I debate and resolve as a collector and I understand all of us who want to have something special in collection... but thinks like those Nameless thing could be a bacteria, worm, bat or batman... fish from under deeps.... clone between octopus and elephant etc.... there is already sculpt a lot's of man, DWARVES and all other kinds of middle earth characters but in my collection still miss guy named Thorin III Stonehelm. Guy from one of the most important dwarves family trees and this is it... You are the most active guy in forum when you try to persuade other to support one of yours creature ideas but I will cite and mentioned post of Wendy... Why we do not support possibility and try to convince Mithril to release M range " Creatures or Monsters of Middle earth... I write this because of I need to support my idea.... but in all next stages regardless to final result some of my mans, elves, DWARVES will be on the collectors menu again.... Good luck dear Mithril friend... this is just for fun... and hobby....
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Post by Gildor on Dec 5, 2010 0:16:31 GMT
well it feels strange to be asked for my opinion here... Indeed the nameless thing would be unique, but being unique could be, in this case, both a good or bad thing... why? because the nameless thing belongs to those mythic monsters nobody has ever seen and are meant for the imagination, not for being concrete....
Indeed I supported the idea at first mainly out of curiosity as to see what the imagination of Chris could make it... but even there, that would force the vision of one person upon others...and no matter how good the skills of this person is... giving a form on something that has never been described is dangerous... you can't please everybody... and you risk the fact of not pleasign anybody at all...
a bit risky and due to the price of GSF figurines I can understand that some people would not "bet" on such a risk... The question is not if the Nameless Thing would be more suited to regulars than it would for GSF... if it was to be done, GSF would be the best choice, I can't imagine such an exotic figurine being released as regulars, unless Mithril decides to release a full range of "abominations of the old world" which I doubt could be possible (and risky) with the licence...
Now I make no mystery that I am fed up with all baddies (namely orcs and trolls) because I like nobility, order and shining or beautiful clothes armor on the figurines I paint... it is not only a matter of being oriented towards good but about a "paint feeling", it is very hard for me to paint orcs because their design is purposedly raw, dirty, chaotic etc etc... Still I like their sculpting but, it is always hard for me to force myself to paint orcs or trolls....
end of parenthesis...
the main problem, and it is not anymore the right place to discuss that is the lack of "CHOICE" provided by Mithril in terms of release because we must face it , we have to focus all our expectations on member-submitted ideas, at the rate of one release per month...
How long have you been a mithril collector or customer Grond? were you there in the 90's? Can you imagine the feeling of people who were used to see more than 30 figurines released regularly in ONE year? and EACH year.... without having to cross your fingers in hope there would be a release soon and being totally amazed and thankful to have at once so many figurines to discover ?
there are feeling here... from the "old stand", who are nostalgic and can't manage to live with the idea of one figurine per month, only sold and seen on a website... when you have been used to visit shops and see a full wall of different mithril and blisters and not beign able to choose between all the figurines displayed there because there are toooo many and they cost only 1€ or 2€ each.... (twas not euro back in time but I make the conversion)
I don't think you are trying to make people oppose you or anything, I just wonder if you have ever had this feeling I described, and if so, maybe some suggestions could be avoided... or submitted elsewhere... as a new thread exists for regular suggestions...
well that was closely out of topic but I think I tried to find the roots of the divergence...
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Post by Theobald on Dec 5, 2010 11:18:29 GMT
I do absolutely share your point about the "nameless thing", Gildor. Just remember how often The Man rejected to sculpt a version of Sauron. - Those "nameless things" have no name and no shape except in one's mind. So they do appear in each of our minds in different shapes and different outward appearance. - The only thing we know about them is that they do/did exist. That's all there is. I think you really cannot depict all of Tolkien's imaginations. - And, maybe, you shouldn't try to do so.
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Post by ungoliant on Dec 6, 2010 2:09:35 GMT
There’s no denying it; these are all good points made by Thingol, Gildor and Theobald. Of course, you all have similar likes and dislikes as well. Thingol, like anyone else, you are encouraged to fight for your idea. I could easily attack the dwarf by questioning its out of the ordinary qualities, but I won’t. I know dwarves have a strong following. I have several in my collection as well. Anyway, Thorin III is doing a fine job of keeping The Nameless Thing in check. Good luck. Never sell yourself short Gildor. You are a veritable fountain of knowledge. I personally value all the information you share with this forum. I’m just unclear on one thing: Initially, you said The Nameless Thing would be removed de facto. Well, the facto is it survived. In the following rounds you claimed to support it. You actually voted for it??? Hmm. Now you apparently don’t support it at all. If it’s one thing I can’t stand it’s a wishy-washy adversary! Please make up your mind! ;D One more thing: I had to smile at your earlier comment regarding painting orcs and trolls. I’m just the opposite. I find painting the fine lines of an elf or woman far more tedious. For me, orcs and trolls are much easier to paint. Funny isn‘t? T H E O B A L D…still think I will fail in the end? As for you, I will never slip out of character: LITTLE ELF! Does thou not know the prophecy? Your warriors will fall in battle. Their remains will be scattered like the sands of time. Trolls will squish thy peoples’ entrails between their toes. Orcs will make war drums of fair hide. The sky will be blackened with vampire bats. Not even dental records will serve to identify the fallen. Yes, much blood, much blood. It won‘t be pretty…it will be MAGNIFICENT! RUN NOW AND TELL YOUR PEOPLE! GROND IS COMING! BUWAHAHAHAAAAAA! Hey, listen! Some members think I always prefer the bad guys. Not true. I submitted the Dwarf Sentry and Folca and the Boar of Everholt some months ago. Also, The Nameless Thing is not necessarily a bad guy either. People just assume it’s bad, because it’s a creature. Remember, Gandalf never said anything about The Nameless Thing being evil. He only said it was very old and that Sauron was unaware of its existence.
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Post by Axel on Dec 7, 2010 16:05:34 GMT
I am indeed intrigued by the "nameless thing", but I fear that any incarnation in metal could not meet my expectations. Despite that I would be willing to support the attempt, but I LOVE Mithrils dwarfs.
However this vote ends, I will be happy with the result. I admit that Ghost or Troll were not my favourites.
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