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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 23, 2016 15:10:33 GMT
The top three ideas from the first round now goes forward into the final round in August. This is an open vote so you will always see the current status of the vote before your add yours. You can comment on your favourite idea, even if it was not your first choice in the last round, and argue (politely) about its merits. Pictures, illustrations or photos are also welcome.
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 23, 2016 18:18:04 GMT
29 votes to go....
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 24, 2016 15:36:32 GMT
For the collector fellows who don't like the Arwen ranger, an idea, if she should win: just paint the hair chestnut and the clothes green - then put her among Thranduil's Woodelves - give her a new name, and negate the description card... and you will have a nice PJ movie adaption fitting for Prince Greenleaf LOL
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Post by Luthien Tinuviel on Aug 24, 2016 18:58:29 GMT
I just wonder why it seems so nice to destroy other ideas rather than promote its own
I do not mean Arwen "ranger" but Arwen wandering under the stars light and woods...
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Post by barliman on Aug 25, 2016 9:54:26 GMT
I just wonder why it seems so nice to destroy other ideas rather than promote its own I do not mean Arwen "ranger" but Arwen wandering under the stars light and woods... I'm sure no one is "destroying" your idea out of malice - it's more a case of healthy debate! It's just that when you say "She wear pants and a long shirt, her hair tied. A short sword at the belt", there's no escpaing the fact that it does sound much more like "Ranger" attire than straightforward outdoor clothing.
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Post by mindx2 on Aug 25, 2016 14:34:52 GMT
It's a neck and neck sprint between Arwen and Bombur to the finish line! Surprising to see such a rotund dwarf keep up with the elegant elf!!
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 25, 2016 15:09:49 GMT
Bombur so be it!
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 25, 2016 16:35:13 GMT
it's not meant as "destroying" at all, No, its the other way round! Don't you see, dear Luthien4tinuviel?
I just wanted to give an idea to the other collectors, ...including me... who keep to the books / novel that can give your suggestion some more support! And should it win, you (and all other who like it) will be satisfied with your Arwen dressed up as a ranger. - pants, shirt and sword, what else can that be as "ranger" or "scout" i wonder?
Others can use the figure for something else, can't they?
In fact there is no armed Arwen in men's clothes in the story - that is influence from the Movies.
What Arwen has done in her youth is no where mentioned in the novel, and not in MERP either, There the character of Arwen owns enchanted royal gowns, an enchanted Elven cloak, a delicate crown like a leafy wreath made of Mithril,, and a long knive that acts as a holy rapier which yields sleep spells. MERP - Lords of Middle-earth, Vol. I.
I also don't think that she was sitting at home all the time. but noble Lady Arwen joining a hunting party, killing animals or even Orcs.... ! Big sorry, I can't and won't imagine. Walking in the forest under the stars at Rivendell or at Lothlorien needs not be armed with a sword. Both realms are well protected by the power of the Elven Rings Vilya and Nenya.
I don't have any problems in real live with coequal women. That's fine!
And yes, sure I will buy that figure then if it wins, but if it just looks like M212 Lorien female elven adventurer or M320 Elf-girl I will use it as I like, and I will not paint or call it as Arwen.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 25, 2016 17:07:41 GMT
Well Halbarad said it all The figure in itself may be great, but I can't consider her to be Arwen and thus using her for other purposes. There are other women in Tolkien's world who are wielding weapons but rarely noble ones. M400 is a big exception with a Galadriel in full armor gear mounted.
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Post by khador on Aug 26, 2016 16:06:27 GMT
Well Halbarad said it all The figure in itself may be great, but I can't consider her to be Arwen and thus using her for other purposes. There are other women in Tolkien's world who are wielding weapons but rarely noble ones. M400 is a big exception with a Galadriel in full armor gear mounted. To my opinion (for defense of "Arwen idea") : - "Arwen wandering under stars light" doesn't mean "Arwen in ranger dress" - and even if Arwen was dressed like a ranger, I don't see where is the mistake with Tolkien's works (i don't imagine Arwen as an Noble Housewife, without martial skills)
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Post by Halbarad II. on Aug 26, 2016 19:52:05 GMT
this funny debate is splitting hairs!
We will see the result of it soon.
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Thank A Elbereth Gilthoniel!
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Post by Gildor on Aug 27, 2016 5:57:08 GMT
Well Halbarad said it all The figure in itself may be great, but I can't consider her to be Arwen and thus using her for other purposes. There are other women in Tolkien's world who are wielding weapons but rarely noble ones. M400 is a big exception with a Galadriel in full armor gear mounted. To my opinion (for defense of "Arwen idea") : - "Arwen wandering under stars light" doesn't mean "Arwen in ranger dress" - and even if Arwen was dressed like a ranger, I don't see where is the mistake with Tolkien's works (i don't imagine Arwen as an Noble Housewife, without martial skills) Well I simply cannot imagine Arwen wielding a single weapon. I certainly do not deny her the use of magic but I cannot imagine her with any kind of blade, or with attached hair, or in pants instead of robe. She is supposed to be "the fairest" of all, and embodiement of elven feminine beauty for the 3rd Age, and the "canon" of elven beauty in Tolkien works is quite documented. It is as if you would imagine Boromir as a spellcaster in robe, can you? to quote you : "i don't imagine Arwen as an Noble Housewife, without martial skills", well you don't, but that's how Tolkien described her, still you can imagine her the way you want, PJ did so and it thrilled a lot of Liv Tyler fans too... and exasperated others for such blasphemy (for the fact she's playing Glorfindel's role, not her own)
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Post by barliman on Aug 27, 2016 10:06:01 GMT
When all is said and done it won't really matter much whether she's a canonical representation of Arwen or not. If she's a ranger/warrior type, as seems to be desired by some of the Fellowship, that's fine – I simply won't buy that particular figure, much as I didn't buy the old woman with chickens and one or two other odd suggestions that have won over the years.
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Post by Gildor on Aug 27, 2016 10:32:37 GMT
well, I know I will buy her anyway as i collect all mithril no matter what, but that may also be the reason why I express such feelings and concern instead of "letting things happen" but indeed as Halbarad said, if "she happens", i'm certain it will be great (I hope it won't be the reproduction of an existing figurine) but I won't consider her an Arwen and to do so I may even choose to paint her blonde "to forget who she's supposed to be"
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Post by Mornedhel on Aug 27, 2016 10:40:18 GMT
anyway if the Man accepted the idea at the beginning, it's ok for me. If I have to stick to tolkien cannon, let's give up 80% of my collection
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Post by Gildor on Aug 27, 2016 13:18:15 GMT
well I think I could give you the number of MERP / extended / uncanonical figurines in the mithril range that would be interesting but I think it is less than 80% (i may be wrong but that is indeed a very interesting data I could add to my database ! )
Once again, I have nothing against the figure itself or what it'll look like I just express my opinion about how I envision Arwen (or not) Besides, there is canon and canon... for instance, I LOVE the LR11-LR20 Named Nazgul figures which are as far from the canon that one figurine can be... but Tolkien never said anything about them so it is open to interpretation and I really like or appreciate this "other minds" concept...
I simply do not share the same feeling for characters which have been described by Tolkien, this is different because it means making something different from the "canon" existing texts, knowingly.
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Post by mindx2 on Aug 27, 2016 14:31:28 GMT
I agree with Gildor for the most part. I am perhaps more forgiving when it comes to "other minds" as far as non-canon figures/characters go. I would personally love to have every MERP NPC written in figure form by Chris! However, taking firmly established and describe Tolkien characters and changing them doesn't sit well with how I see this series.
I need to really read through the suggestion rules thread to get a better understanding of what can and cannot be suggested.
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 28, 2016 20:18:03 GMT
35 votes! Bombur did it!
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Post by mindx2 on Aug 29, 2016 1:12:09 GMT
35 votes! Bombur did it! Isn't the voting open until September 1st? How many tend to vote each month?
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 29, 2016 11:26:53 GMT
I just wonder why it seems so nice to destroy other ideas rather than promote its own I do not mean Arwen "ranger" but Arwen wandering under the stars light and woods... Discussion on the merits of figures is part of the healthy debate. As long as it is civil, where is the harm in it?. If a person finds fault in an idea, or points out something the original poster may have missed, it adds to that discussion. Of course the points raised are not to be aimed at attacking the person. We are all friends here.
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Post by Michael O'Brien on Aug 29, 2016 11:34:17 GMT
35 votes! Bombur did it! Isn't the voting open until September 1st? How many tend to vote each month? The vote is still open, but I believe that since the average voting participants is 35, that is why Bombur's situation looks good. But it does not mean others will not vote in the last few days. It does not take much to change the outcome. While about 200 members are signed up to the Fellowship, some are unfortunately passive when it comes to voting.
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Post by Thingol on Aug 29, 2016 13:00:03 GMT
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 29, 2016 17:46:57 GMT
35 votes! Bombur did it! Isn't the voting open until September 1st? How many tend to vote each month? So far the most votes have been 35...
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 29, 2016 17:50:37 GMT
Nice pic Master Thingol! A Arwen looking like this would be a lot more attactive then a ranger girl...
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Post by Gildor on Aug 29, 2016 19:08:25 GMT
I really like your pic master Thingol If she is to be that way, with unattached hair, and without weapons, I would vote for her immediatly ! but I still can't imagine Arwen with sword and attached hair :/ I simply wonder what's the most annoying for me, the weapon or the attached hair are simply unaceptable
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Post by Thingol on Aug 29, 2016 20:41:02 GMT
I agree with you Gildor, if this Arwen wins, figure should be sculpted like this one on that picture... but lady luthien4tinuvielle should decide that she looks like this and write idea to CT
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 30, 2016 17:52:05 GMT
surprise, surprise... 36 votes! Maybe there is a vote number 37 to decide what it will be? That would be awesome! It's great to see member 36 out of 200 decided to vote! Come on guys where are the other ones?
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Post by ddaines on Aug 30, 2016 20:09:26 GMT
surprise, surprise... 36 votes! Maybe there is a vote number 37 to decide what it will be? That would be awesome! It's great to see member 36 out of 200 decided to vote! Come on guys where are the other ones? Wandering in some forest maybe
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Post by Theobald on Aug 30, 2016 21:01:22 GMT
Well, to be honest, I did not vote so far. But there's time enough left so why become hasty?
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Post by hsf62 on Aug 31, 2016 15:03:11 GMT
Well, to be honest, I did not vote so far. But there's time enough left so why become hasty? To be hasty wouldn't suit you Master Ent! But in the "ent" I'm very happy to see a new voting reccord with 38 votes!!!
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