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Post by Michael O'Brien on Oct 3, 2005 12:49:37 GMT
This Suggestions Thread is CLOSED. Welcome to another exciting chance to add your ideas and dreams to Mithril's LOTR miniatures. Post your suggestions here. One per member. ;D This month is OPEN to all types of suggestions, so you can choose single figures, vignettes or even box sets. But please be aware that the larger and more complex the winning suggestion is, the more expensive it will be. Next month (November) will return to single figures again. You may add comments about other members suggestions as well. If you post any suggestions elsewhere it may not be seen or credited. If you have any questions then post in the other thread provided for such questions. Voting begins Monday October 24th. So hurry. GO TO GALLERY PAGE: www.mithril.ie/Fellowship/gallery.html
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Post by Bond...SBond on Oct 3, 2005 12:54:21 GMT
Well, it looked like Cirdan was a fairly close second for September...so I would respectfully offer up for vote Cirdan the Shipwright, as he would be at the Grey Havens (though seeing a reprise of a Beorn/Bolg vignette suggestion would be heartily received ;D ).
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Post by Wendy on Oct 3, 2005 15:59:21 GMT
I did like the suggestions last month, so I would suggest that those who suggested last month suggest them again. ;D Perhaps all ten cats might actually be a mini vignette rather than a singe figure. Intriguing nonetheless.
I have some suggestions in mind, but I think I'll hold off for a while...maybe a month or two...or more...
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Post by Gildor on Oct 3, 2005 16:19:10 GMT
Well I had suggested Cirdan last month but since it has already been re-suggested by Bond... SBond, I don't know if Wendy post meant he suggested Beruthiel again or not? If it is the case , then my next suggestion would be, since this month is open to all suggestions : a boxed set.... like the ones made for the Fellowship of the Ring or the Hobbit. I mean : a set of stand alone figures but not necessarily linked together in a vignette (that is optionnal i think) this boxed set would be .... All the 13 dwarves from the Hobbit and.... BOMBUR in the center (I know that the price would be... well quite expensive (if single miniatures cost 35€... then 13 figurines would be close to 400€, but these are dwarves... Do you think that Mithril could make a lower price for a set of 13 dwarves, Michael?... If I remember well, NONE of the thirteen dwarves have been made except Thorin several times, and also Balin and Gloïn (in Battle of the Five Armies series) and two unnamed captured dwarves in M104 Is it a reasonnable suggestion? and would I have some supporters for it (depends mostly on the price I think) or should I make a more reasonnable suggestion?
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Post by ddaines on Oct 3, 2005 16:33:25 GMT
Well done Wendy/Halbarad,
I voted for Queen B, but H will be fine. This month I will submit the Mounted Imrahil holding a wounded Faramir (I believe Chris also liked this idea) as my suggestion (I don't think it was submitted as such last time, the die already having been cast so to speak!).
Re the 13 Dwarves and the apparent cost implications, would this not be a more practical subject for the 'normal' range of figures? Whatever the cost of 12 dwarves, Bombur would still have to be 'hollow' cast to keep the price down!!
oh well, here's to sauron crashing through the letter box when he's made.
David.
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Post by Stift on Oct 3, 2005 18:32:19 GMT
Hello, I'd like to suggest a very simple miniature: a Dwarven Crossbowman. IIRC, it is mentioned several times in LOR that the Dwarves normally use crossbows as long range weapons, but Mithril never offered such a character miniature. I can imagine an light armoured dwarve with an loaded chrossbow in his hands and spare bolts on his back, ready to shoot at any enemy - normally Orcs. It should be a low cost, but beautiful miniature. Sincerely, Alex
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Post by MBmotel17 on Oct 3, 2005 19:15:11 GMT
I am going to suggest again, the vignette of Beregond and Pippin facing the Troll Chief in front of the Black Gates. Beregond has not been featured as a normal figure yet, and this scene is also a key moment for Pippin, when he defeated the Troll, and rescued his friend. This vignette would go well with the Lord of the Nazgul box set, being the 2 great battles of Merry and Pippin.
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Post by krossbone on Oct 3, 2005 19:55:15 GMT
Hi Mandos curse is upon me! Q. Beruthiel still failed on the second step. So I propose it again for October, but as a single figure. It's not necessary to create ALL the ten cats. As for the famous invisible tree of "the death of Boromir": 3 or 4 cats are enough (and you have to imagine the others, ;D it's not an advertising for pet-food! ;D) and use lead as much as sword, shield, helm and cloak of a single warrior figure. bye krosbone
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Post by Hammershield on Oct 3, 2005 22:04:50 GMT
Well, Queen B., WITH all ten vcats still remain my first suggestion for our nest round. Bombur, if not the whole Thotin O. Company is an option, is my second. But justto throw in something new: a vignette of the corpse of Baldor, son of Brego at the door on the Path of the Dead
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Post by Mithrandir on Oct 3, 2005 22:42:16 GMT
Far be it from me to second-guess Chris Tubb, but I think we could do a single figure of you-know-who. He could be sitting on a big cushion on the floor, maybe in a happy, laughing-Buddha-style pose, or maybe reaching out or shouting for his Dwarf assistants (not included).
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Post by Theobald on Oct 4, 2005 13:52:29 GMT
Well, I think it's time for another female miniature. BERUTHIEL, of course. - I don't mind about the number of cats (10 is better than 3 - I would prefer painting 10). So, Wendy, I voted for Quenn B last month and I follow your suggestion to keep on voting for her again. I think just 10 cats added to one figure can't be called a vignette (but a vignette would be better, because there is more space to place them in interesting positions). It's a figure with cats. David, you should stick to your vote of last month. Does it mean that your idea of a mounted Imrahil holding the wounded Faramir is the idea of a new MX ? Well, krosbone Your suggestion leaves Queen B with seven cats ( 3 invisible ). Good idea.
But what about these cats? How do they look like ... are they all the same origin or do they look different in character and stature?
All in all: I will keep on voting for Beruthiel By the way, is there anybody who could give me a hint how she looks like - is there any description in Tolkiens narrative somewhere?
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Post by bombadil1963 on Oct 4, 2005 21:18:56 GMT
I suggest Beorn in bear-shape again when he´s crushing Bolg in the Battle of five armies. On the other hand I think, the Gold Fellows should take their chance to fullfill the dreams of all of us who want to see figurines realized that were never made before.
So I could even follow and support both, ddaines and Mithrandir, because I can´t understand why Thorin´s Company was never made before.
Beruthiel is not my favourite, sorry! I think, she´s like a fairytale for naughty children and not a "historical" person of Middle Earth. I couldn´t find any hint about her, for example in J.E.A. Tyler´s "Tolkien Companion".
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Post by Wendy on Oct 4, 2005 22:02:51 GMT
Queen B. was mentioned in passing by Aragorn in Fellowship.
"He (Gandalf) is surer of finding the way home in a blind night than the cats of Queen Beruthiel."
I do like the idea of Beorn crushing Bolg. Though I do visualize his squishing him with paw on the ground rather than a "bear hug" like the picture posted in the gallery. It would be more bear-like to smash on the ground.
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Post by MBmotel17 on Oct 5, 2005 4:42:28 GMT
Well, I think that whatever is chosen for this month, it should at least be a small vignette, if we are going to be made to have a single figure every other month. Im not wild about the Queen B. idea, but if she is done, it might as well be with all ten cats
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Post by dreadlord on Oct 6, 2005 11:59:02 GMT
This may be more suited as a box set. I would like to suggest Gandalf and frodo sitting on a horse and cart entering the shire. The back of the cart should have barrels of fireworks in it. Gandalf should have a pipe in one hand pointing at frodo with it. I will hopefully get to submit a picture.
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Post by Gildor on Oct 6, 2005 16:34:13 GMT
in answer to Bombadil1963 : Beruthiel is not a fictionnal character, she was the wife of Falastur (12th king of Gondor) but she was erased from royal tables, she could not stand her husband and never gave him a child, making him the first childless king of gondor, and after Falastur's Death, it's Falastur's Nephew, Eärnil I, who became king.
there is a big text in the Unfinished Tales Appendices, after the Istari part. Since this can contribute to a description of the suggestion "queen beruthiel" I will put the text here :
"Even the story of Queen Berúthiel does exist, however, if only in a very "primitive" outline, in one part illegible. She was the nefarious, solitary, and loveless wife of Tarannon, twelfth King of Gondor (Third Age 830-913) and first of the "Ship-kings", who took the crown in the name of Falastur "Lord of the Coasts," and was the first childless king (The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, I, ii and iv). Berúthiel lived in the King's House in Osgiliath, hating the sounds and smells of the sea and the house that Tarannon built below Pelargir "upon arches whose feet stood deep in the wide waters of Ethir Anduin;" she hated all making, all colours and elaborate adornment, wearing only black and silver and living in bare chambers, and the gardens of the house in Osgiliath were filled with tormented sculptures beneath cypresses and yews. She had nine black cats and one white, her slaves, with whom she conversed, or read their memories, setting them to discover all the dark secrets of Gondor, so that she knew those things "that men wish most to keep hidden," setting the white cat to spy upon the black, and tormenting them. No man in Gondor dared touch them; all were afraid of them, and cursed when they saw them pass. What follows is almost wholly illegible in the unique manuscript, except to the ending, which states that her name was erased from the Book of the Kings ("but the memory of men is not wholly shut in books, and the cats of Queen Berúthiel never passed wholly out of men's speech"), and that King Tarannon had her set on a ship alone with her cats and set adrift on the sea before a north wind. The ship was last seen flying past Umbar under a sickle moon, with a cat at the masthead and another as a figure-head on the prow."
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Post by ddaines on Oct 6, 2005 21:46:51 GMT
Now there's a thought - I should have done that with my 'ex'! (set her upon a ship).
From that interesting description, an aloof women dressed in simple, plain clothing and holding her white cat with the other nine at her feet looking up at the white one might be a nice figure.
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Post by lbruno on Oct 7, 2005 11:52:24 GMT
the fellowship leaving lothlorien on boats, with galadriel and celeborn on their ship for ultimate good-byes and gifts. in a box set, of course !
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Post by bombadil1963 on Oct 7, 2005 14:00:46 GMT
Wow! Thanks to Gildor! But what a horrible woman! I´m feeling like under an icy shower! I´ve got the unfinished tales. So I have to have a look at the appendices. But yet I don´t like the idea, having her among my other miniatures!
Uaah!
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Post by bombadil1963 on Oct 7, 2005 16:12:17 GMT
Ok! I was busy now: You´re right. I found everything you said, Gildor. Now I have to apologize to all the true fans of Beruthiel!
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Post by Axe99 on Oct 7, 2005 17:34:18 GMT
This isn't a 'suggestion' per se, but more a suggestion that the original suggestors of Eorl, Shadowfax and a mounted Merry with a horn maybe re-suggest those options - I thought they were just a little good (not deliberate understatement ), although whether they can compete with Bombur's weighty campaign I'm not sure!
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Post by krossbone on Oct 7, 2005 21:34:51 GMT
Yes And for the first appearance of Beruthiel, see the Lord of the Ring (F of the R), in the Moria, when Aragorn say" even the cats of Queen Beruthiel could not see in such a darkness" or something like this (I have the French translation of the Book). Krosbone
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Post by Axel on Oct 8, 2005 7:52:13 GMT
I will resubmit the Merry in a single-mini month, and I assume that the others think alike. I have already decided what I want this time, though I wish I could have three choices :-)
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Post by Axe99 on Oct 9, 2005 0:49:55 GMT
I'm more of a single-figure than vignette person m'self, and don't mind if we get more than six single figures a year - not that I don't like vignettes as well . As for a suggestion for this month, how about a four single-figure set, of Frodo and Sam being led blindfolded by Mablung and Damrod (respectively) to Henneth Annun? On reflection, it would probably be more like two two-figure sets, but if we wanted to go a cheaper option it could just be Frodo or Sam being led (rather than both of 'em). It could also have a vignette-style base for all four of 'em as well (rather than be like two sets of two figures on a base), if people were keen for that.
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Post by Axel on Oct 9, 2005 18:20:07 GMT
Ok, then lets throw in a vignette, too, just for fun, and because that splendid "prancing-pony"-series is so long ago:
Frodo on the table in the Prancing Pony, posing and singing of the cow, perhaps catching the moment where he starts to jump. This must be a vignette for the table, and one could add the odd gaffer sitting and protecting his beer from that merry hobbit...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2005 10:40:38 GMT
I want to wait for suggest Shadowfax again until next month, becuase I want to observe the rule of "one suggestion per member" and try with other vignete. I am not sure it has been suggested as a fellowship figure:
- The three trolls of the hobbit with Bilbo stealing the talking purse.
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Post by khador on Oct 10, 2005 13:15:58 GMT
I want to submit Grond, hammer of the underwolrld, destroying Minas Tirith gates, with trolls pushing it and carrying by nameless creatures
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Post by ddaines on Oct 10, 2005 13:49:00 GMT
Good idea about Grond. I had thought of suggesting the 'Wolf's head' part of Grond to perhaps go with the Gandalf/Witchking fellowship vignette that was released sometime ago. As a suggestion from me it will have to wait, but it is a good thought that I think would look great. Sadly I think the whole of Grond would be too much from the design/cost etc. point of view but a head with hollowed area to insert the body may be achieveable.
Hope to see it sometime soon (especially with the upcoming new Lossarnach soldires).
David.
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Post by Gerold on Oct 10, 2005 14:19:17 GMT
my suggestion : Dead of Ugluk Altough Ugluk was an Uruk-Hai, he was considered a brave and loyal warrior and leader. According to a LOTR lexicon, he was killed by Eomer, but Eomer made him a compliment by descending from his mount before finishing him off. I'd like to see a vignette looking like this : Ugluk sitting on his knees wounded, and Eomer walking to him on foot, ready for making a last strike with his sword.
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Post by wvberghe on Oct 10, 2005 19:52:08 GMT
I'll support Bond...Sbond's suggestion of
Cirdan the Shipwright for this month!
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